Klarinet Archive - Posting 000077.txt from 2005/11

From: Robert Howe <arehow@-----.net>
Subj: [kl] Re: klarinet Digest 5 Nov 2005 22:01:01 -0000 Issue 6320
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 08:54:16 -0500

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> klarinet Digest 5 Nov 2005 22:01:01 -0000 Issue 6320
>
> Topics (messages 85107 through 85118):
>
> Re: clarinet and dental inserts
> 85107 by: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro
>
> Re: TMJ
> 85108 by: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro
> 85116 by: Nancy Buckman
> 85118 by: KEVIN J FAY
>
> Clarinet habits
> 85109 by: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro
> 85110 by: Jesse Rogers
> 85111 by: Gary Van Cott
> 85112 by: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro
> 85113 by: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro
>
> Romanian Clarinet Music
> 85114 by: Gary Van Cott
> 85115 by: Oliver Seely
>
> Bass Clarinet Tuning Question
> 85117 by: Blake Arrington
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> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:11:26 +0100
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro <juanfran2@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: clarinet and dental inserts
> Message-ID: <436CCB9E.4010407@-----.com>
>
> When I was younger I lost two incisors. I was a clarinet student when
> this happened. Unfortunately I had to stop playing, but, (thinking
> positive), the dental bridge I have since then, corrected the different
> lenght of my "old" teeth. Before the accident I had to play with my
> clarinet "turned" in order to fully lean my incisors in the mouthpiece.
> "After the bridge" I could correct my mouthpiece possition.
>
> The question now is whether maintaining the bridge or, at same time I
> pass through orthognathic surgery, adding implants.
>
> So your good experience with implants and clarinet playing helps me, thanks.
>
> Juan Francisco Vicente
>
> Chief Coordinator
> Sirinx Music School
> Salamanca, Spain
> http://www.emsirinx.com
>
> Vann Joe Turner escribi?:
>> Hi Juan,
>>
>> Although I can't speak of any TMJ aspect, I had to have all my teeth
>> extracted, and now have full dentures. I had 4 metal posts inserted into
>> the lower jaw to hold the lowers in place, while the uppers are just
>> "regular". I find my dentures (with the lowers anchored) do not interfer
>> with playing the clarinet at all.
>>
>> I trust you will find similar favorable outcome.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Vann Joe
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:33:57 +0100
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro <juanfran2@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: TMJ
> Message-ID: <436CD0E5.3000309@-----.com>
>
> My clarinet-medics related questions are:
>
> -How long it taked to you, after surgery, to begin playing clarinet
> again -to play for first time and to reach "normal daily time" of playing-.
>
> -I think it depends upon many things (which type of orthognathic
> surgery, if upper, lower or both jaws, how your buccal cavity changed,
> how the angle of your teeth changed, and so on) but, did you have to
> change the way you played? (embrochure, breath, ...).
>
> -After the surgery did you noticed less sense in your lips, cheeks or
> tongue? (I've been told this could happen, because cutting some nerves
> during surgery).
>
> Thanks
>
> Juan Francisco Vicente
>
> Chief Coordinator
> Sirinx Music School
> Salamanca, Spain
> http://www.emsirinx.com
>
> Nancy Buckman escribi?:
>> Hi Juan,
>>
>> I have had all of the things done that you mention in your post to
>> Klarinet, except I have all of my own teeth. I would be happy to help
>> with my knowledge and support. Ask anything you want and I will try to
>> help you understand what will be done.
>>
>> My best wishes,
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Buckman
>> Principal Clarinet / Orchestra AACC
>> eefer@-----.net
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:19:04 -0500
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Nancy Buckman <eefer@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: TMJ
> Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20051105143800.0262fb28@-----.net>
>
> Hi Juan,
>
> I don't speak Spanish, so give me a day or two and I will send you a reply,
> trying to answer your questions in simple English. This is a big step and
> I can tell you right now that you want to go to a dental school, which is
> where you will get the best treatment (at least that is the way it works in
> the USA). My experience with dentistry in Europe has not been good and
> this is why I recommend a dental school. Everything should be state of the
> art. If it isn't and music is of vital importance to you (it looks like
> that is how you make your living), you might want to consider coming here
> to have you treatment completed, if possible. It is absolutely necessary
> that your oral surgeon must be extremely knowledgeable where "your" anatomy
> is concerned. You need an orthodontist who is certified and is willing to
> work "with" you while treating you. That means giving you time to adjust
> to each adjustment to your appliance before making the next
> adjustment. You need to be able to execute all skills after each
> adjustment before the orthodontist makes the next one. That way, after
> your surgery, when it is time to start playing again, all you will really
> have to adjust to is the change in the relationship of upper jaw to lower
> jaw. It won't be such a huge challenge if you proceed this way. Having
> doctors who are willing to "work with you" is vital. You must have
> "absolute" faith in their ability to give you correct treatment. You want
> the very best medical-dental team that you can find. You life and future
> livelihood depends on them.
>
> Let me put together the answers to your questions and then you can ask the
> next round of questions. Keep in mind that this can, and should be the
> best thing you do for your musical future, if you proceed carefully. I
> have been pain free with no problems since my final surgery in 1994. It
> took four years of preparation with the orthodontist and surgeon and I owe
> them my musical life.
>
> While you wait, do a search on-line and check out these things:
>
> History of orthodontics
> Palate expanders (they widen your upper jaw) and bionators (they lengthen
> your lower jaw)
> Edgewise and Begg bracket systems
>
> You may find that you want to question your orthodontist about which of
> these different appliances are appropriate for you. Some of them can save
> you having to undergo some of the surgical procedures. Others will help
> shorten the length of your treatment time. My orthodontist was open to
> letting me choose the system used to move my teeth. It meant fewer visits
> to his office and longer periods between adjustments. That translated into
> more playing time for me with less pain and suffering while being
> treated. Learn all you can about what happens when teeth are moved,
> especially if they are moved too quickly. Because you will be playing
> instruments that put pressure on the bones in your face, you need to make
> sure that you don't progress too quickly. In order to move teeth, your
> bone literally has to be dissolved and reformed. Therefore, you need to
> have enough of it present at all times to support the pressure exerted by
> your instruments. And don't let anyone tell you that you can't play and be
> treated at the same time. You absolutely can. It is more work for you
> treatment team, but there is no reason you can't do this your way. They
> must understand that music is your life and you need to be able to play
> while undergoing treatment.
>
> You have a lot to learn. I'll write back with your answers
> tomorrow. Meanwhile spend some time on-line researching the subjects above
> to get you started.
>
> My best,
>
> Nancy
>
> Nancy Buckman
> Principal Clarinet / Orchestra AACC
> eefer@-----.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:15:08 -0800
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "KEVIN J FAY" <kevinfay3020@-----.net>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: Re: TMJ
> Message-ID: <000601c5e245$9eca0e30$c76f1018@hal>
> Keywords: Music
>
> Juan posted:
>
> <<<I don't know if speaking of medical issues, even if clarinet related, is
> interesting for all suscribers, so if I don't see any message asking to
> follow this "on air", I will e-mail Nancy privately.>>>
>
> Hi Juan - a couple of things:
>
> (1) I'm sorry to hear of you problem. I've some difficulty with teeth
> myself - although not nearly as serious - so have a glimmer of understanding
> of how frustrating it is. Making music with a clarinet is hard enough
> without additional difficulties.
>
> (2) Please *do* post to the list. Even if there isn't a groundswell of
> support, the information generated should be put in the archives so that
> other clarinetist with TMJ can search and find it.
>
> There are many, many, many people subscribed to the list who never post for
> one reason or another. I'll bet that some have TMJ, and could use the
> discussion.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> kjf
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:53:06 +0100
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Juan Francisco Vicente Becerro <juanfran2@-----.com>
> Subject: Clarinet habits
> Message-ID: <436CD562.50902@-----.com>
>
> This is not strictly related to my TMJ disease, so I write it in other
> thread.
>
> Does anybody knows about any book about medical issues for musicians?.
> Now that I am in a sort of "medical phase" in my life, I'd like to
> prevent more problems due to, for example, bad habits playing clarinet.
>
> Moreover, I think I'm obliged, as a clarinet teacher with very young
> pupils, to be trained in "clarinet-musical-medical" issues.
>
> For example, in the school were I work we teach choir, and for several
> years have warned childrens with voice disorders not to attend at their
> choir lesson, since is our responsability not to permit a children with
> such disorder to sing.
>
> So, is there any work on this refered to musical instruments -clarinet
> or not- playing?.

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