Klarinet Archive - Posting 000230.txt from 2005/10
From: "danyel" <rab@-----.de>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife? (blow out vs. paradise lost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:56:13 -0400
Sorry, the spell check 'corrected' several place names below, read: Erfurt,
Goettingen, Fuessen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "danyel" <rab@-----.de>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:47 PM
Subject: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife? (blow out vs. paradise lost)
> As far as I am concerned I don't buy the blow-out story. I have kept
trying
> clarinets for many years, new and old, and I never found anything to equal
> my Berthold & Soehne, Speyer ca. 1890, my two late 19th c. Kruspe and an
> F.G. Uebel (F.A.'s father). In theory they should be blown out for good
but
> in fact, after expert restoration, they have an incomparably easier
response
> that anything new I have ever tried. They are just superior in craft, but
I
> suspect there is actually also an effect opposite to blowing out, a kind
of
> extended breaking-in as known in string instruments, that enhances the
> quality of well kept clarinets over the years.
>
> Richard Muehlfeld's clarinets (by Ottensteiner) are kept at a Meiningen
> museum, K. Purdy and others have played them and they seem to be very
fine.
> I played on Seggelke's excellent boxwood copy and still like my original
> Berthold and Kruspes better. It seems to me, people today can't afford to
> spend as much time and care for subtleties on an instrument as they (or at
> least the best makers) used to in the late 19th c.
> Also, the good makers back then had collected their knowledge wandering
from
> workshop to workshop. F. W. Kruspe, for example, worked for TrÃebert
> (Paris), Hell, Nechwalsky (Vienna), Ottensteiner (Munich) and his father
> Carl (Effort), a disciple of Streitwolf (Getting); Ottensteiner had worked
> in Paris, Fusser and Munich.
> These people had gathered experience beyond anything we can even dream of!
> Yet all their clarinets were different, even the two Kruspes I own are
> totally different in character (one made at the Leipzig workshop). This is
> all lost now, and like with the classic Cremonese and Tyrolean violins,
the
> best makers were buried with their secrets...
>
> Best wishes,
> danyel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife?
>
>
> > Are you really saying that anything that appears in print is
> > true? You read an article about something in which one person
> > gave a view of a phenomenon and therefore it is now established
> > that this is a sceintific truth???
> >
> > How about investigating the phenomenon yourself? Find out what
> > is true, what is questionable, and what is being offered as if it
> > is a scientific fact, though without any supporitive evidence to
> > support the assertion.
> >
> > I don't know where you are in your education, but part of an
> > education is to teach you how to be an independent thinker
> > capable of questioning alleged truths (some of which may very
> > well be truths, but simply asserting something does not make it
> > true). Youl will find many people who do believe that there is
> > such a thing as blown-out clarinets. And you will also find many
> > people who think the subject is nothing more than an old wive's
> > tale that has never been established.
> >
> > Put in the words "blow out" in the search engine of list and read
> > what you get. That's a start, not a conclusion.
> >
> > Dan Leeson
> > DNLeeson@-----.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Austin Hogan [mailto:ajhogan@-----.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:48 PM
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife?
> >
> >
> > I orginally read about clarinets being "blown out" on WWBW in a
> > review
> > of the Buffet R13 Greenline. Here's the link to the review, it's
> > the
> > second one entitled "Still Happy":
> >
> > http://www.wwbw.com/Buffet-R13-Greenline-Bb-Clarinets-i26542.musi
> > c
> >
> > On 10/22/05, Ormondtoby Montoya <or3mondtoby@-----.net> wrote:
> > > OArkas@-----.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > It worried me, because the Alberts and
> > > > Simple system clarinets I play the most are all
> > > > a hundred years old.
> > >
> > > ...and of course, we should warn those violinists who foolishly
> > pay huge
> > > sums for their Stradivarius instruments. <grin>
> > >
> > >
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