Klarinet Archive - Posting 000228.txt from 2005/10
From: "danyel" <rab@-----.de>
Subj: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife? (blow out vs. paradise lost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:49:05 -0400
As far as I am concerned I don't buy the blow-out story. I have kept trying
clarinets for many years, new and old, and I never found anything to equal
my Berthold & Soehne, Speyer ca. 1890, my two late 19th c. Kruspe and an
F.G. Uebel (F.A.'s father). In theory they should be blown out for good but
in fact, after expert restoration, they have an incomparably easier response
that anything new I have ever tried. They are just superior in craft, but I
suspect there is actually also an effect opposite to blowing out, a kind of
extended breaking-in as known in string instruments, that enhances the
quality of well kept clarinets over the years.
Richard Muehlfeld's clarinets (by Ottensteiner) are kept at a Meiningen
museum, K. Purdy and others have played them and they seem to be very fine.
I played on Seggelke's excellent boxwood copy and still like my original
Berthold and Kruspes better. It seems to me, people today can't afford to
spend as much time and care for subtleties on an instrument as they (or at
least the best makers) used to in the late 19th c.
Also, the good makers back then had collected their knowledge wandering from
workshop to workshop. F. W. Kruspe, for example, worked for TrÃebert
(Paris), Hell, Nechwalsky (Vienna), Ottensteiner (Munich) and his father
Carl (Effort), a disciple of Streitwolf (Getting); Ottensteiner had worked
in Paris, Fusser and Munich.
These people had gathered experience beyond anything we can even dream of!
Yet all their clarinets were different, even the two Kruspes I own are
totally different in character (one made at the Leipzig workshop). This is
all lost now, and like with the classic Cremonese and Tyrolean violins, the
best makers were buried with their secrets...
Best wishes,
danyel
----- Original Message -----
From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife?
> Are you really saying that anything that appears in print is
> true? You read an article about something in which one person
> gave a view of a phenomenon and therefore it is now established
> that this is a sceintific truth???
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> How about investigating the phenomenon yourself? Find out what
> is true, what is questionable, and what is being offered as if it
> is a scientific fact, though without any supporitive evidence to
> support the assertion.
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> I don't know where you are in your education, but part of an
> education is to teach you how to be an independent thinker
> capable of questioning alleged truths (some of which may very
> well be truths, but simply asserting something does not make it
> true). Youl will find many people who do believe that there is
> such a thing as blown-out clarinets. And you will also find many
> people who think the subject is nothing more than an old wive's
> tale that has never been established.
>
> Put in the words "blow out" in the search engine of list and read
> what you get. That's a start, not a conclusion.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Austin Hogan [mailto:ajhogan@-----.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:48 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Re: Clarinets in the afterlife?
>
>
> I orginally read about clarinets being "blown out" on WWBW in a
> review
> of the Buffet R13 Greenline. Here's the link to the review, it's
> the
> second one entitled "Still Happy":
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> http://www.wwbw.com/Buffet-R13-Greenline-Bb-Clarinets-i26542.musi
> c
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> On 10/22/05, Ormondtoby Montoya <or3mondtoby@-----.net> wrote:
> > OArkas@-----.com wrote:
> >
> > > It worried me, because the Alberts and
> > > Simple system clarinets I play the most are all
> > > a hundred years old.
> >
> > ...and of course, we should warn those violinists who foolishly
> pay huge
> > sums for their Stradivarius instruments. <grin>
> >
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