Klarinet Archive - Posting 000024.txt from 2005/10

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] K622
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:20:56 -0400

I don't think I ever gave agreement to the distinction between an
Urtext and an Urtext edition. You may well have spoken of this,
but it did not sink in to me. I don't think there is any serious
musicologist who would agree with that distinction that you make.
Something is not "Urtext per se," it is Urtext or it is not
Urtext.

And it is not possible to create "a scholarly edition that uses
the available textual evidence to try to reconstruct, to the best
degree possible, what the Urtext might actually be." Since it is
not known what the Urtext might actually be, it is not possible
to attempt to achieve it. And any effort to that end is doomed
to failure. How much failure is not known, but do not deceive
yourself that an "Utext edition" has a sincere relation to the
concerto as Mozart conceived it.

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wakeling [mailto:joseph.wakeling@-----.net]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:50 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] K622

dnleeson wrote:
> Yes. Both are good editions, but there is no such things as an
URTEXT
> edition of K. 622. Barenreiter and Henle have tried to
interfere as
> little as possible and there is merit to that. But don't think
that
> out there somewhere there is an authentic edition of 622.

Hmm, I think you and I have had this discussion before about the
conceptual difference between an "Urtext" (the text as the
composer
conceived it), and an "Urtext Edition", which is not Urtext per
se but
rather a scholarly edition that uses the available textual
evidence to
try to reconstruct, to the best degree possible, what the Urtext
might
actually be.

I agree that the textual evidence available for K622 is rather
scant
compared to what we would like, mind you, and I promise if any of
my
physics colleagues build a time machine I will make sure to get
them to
visit a certain pawn shop in Vienna in the 18th century. ;-)

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