Klarinet Archive - Posting 000002.txt from 2005/09
From: "Bryan Crumpler" <crumpletox@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] RE: BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:41:13 -0400
This is sad... I see a lot of people saying stuff to the effect of "They
were told to get out, but they didn't... and it's their fault".
The last report I heard was that the vast majority of people that stayed and
did not evacuate did not have the means to evacuate. They were poor people
with no cars or transportation to shelters (which ended up crumbling as
well). So I can empathize. Louisiana in general has one of the largest
homeless populations and poverty rates in the entire USA.
And if Bush can do anything about it... the 90-120 something billion being
used on pappy's sand-box war could better be rerouted towards cleaning up
disasters at "home" such as this. I can't believe the had the nerve to put a
plug in his speech asking US citizens to give cash as support!!!!
Geeze... what are these politicians thinking? Give cash independently to
support a national disaster beyond anyone's control, but use taxes to
support a war whose dangers no US civilian will ever experience first hand
in order to fight back for something the gov't *could have* controlled?
How's everyone's gas, by the way? Charlotte is on empty... and the truckers
aren't coming to refill until after Labor Day. I just spent 2.99 per gallon
filling up a tank after driving around for 2 hours trying to find a gas
station that actually had gas. And that's been considered low.
B
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klarinet Digest 1 Sep 2005 09:01:03 -0000 Issue 6200
Topics (messages 84386 through 84404):
Forgeries (was Orchetral sexism)
84386 by: Adam Michlin
84387 by: dnleeson
BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
84388 by: Bryan Crumpler
84391 by: Karl Krelove
84393 by: Joseph Wakeling
84394 by: Gary Van Cott
84395 by: Dee Flint
84396 by: Joseph Wakeling
84399 by: Karl Krelove
84401 by: kevin fay
84402 by: Bill Hausmann
The Cassation
84389 by: dnleeson
84400 by: kevin fay
Re: Sinfonia Educational Foundation Director of Development
84390 by: Bryan Crumpler
Re: Cassazione
84392 by: Oliver Seely
New Orleans
84397 by: Fred
84398 by: Audrey Travis
Hurricane in the Gulf
84403 by: Ormondtoby Montoya
84404 by: Ormondtoby Montoya
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:11:58 -0400
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Adam Michlin <amichlin@-----.com>
Subject: Forgeries (was Orchetral sexism)
Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050831165750.01c0dc28@-----.com>
I am curious, the use of the word "forgery" has (to me, at least) the
connotation of someone creating something to intentionally defraud (as in
your book). Is this Quartet an attempt to defraud or just one of the many
wishful thinking anonymous compositions?
I would definitely attribute anything Southern Music Company did to
ignorance before malice. Well, perhaps more appropriately apathy, they just
don't seem to care to know the truth and, I suppose, this allows them to
profit from passing on misinformation. I think this is different than
forgery and would be interested to know if there is a true forgery in the
history of this piece (and, alas, have no access to BBC4).
-Adam
PS: A rhetorical question, would you really want to be paid in British
Pizzas? I guess it can't be much worse than what passes for pizza in
California, though!
At 07:53 AM 8/31/2005 -0700, dnleeson wrote:
>For the British members of the klarinet list, I am going to be on
>BBC in an interview about Mozart forgiers. It is not about my
>book, but about real forgeries of compositions attributed to
>Mozart. The show will be on BBC4 on either Oct. 20 at 11:30 am.
>And one of the many works that I will indentify as a forgery is
>the Cassation Quartet as published by Southern Music company of
>San Antonio.
>
>Does BBC pay in pizzas?
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:51:09 -0700
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subject: RE: [kl] Forgeries (was Orchetral sexism)
Message-ID: <FJEKIMDEOJFJPBKBMDOPCEPMDKAA.dnleeson@-----.net>
It is impossible for me to know Southern Music company's motive
in selling the work as a Mozart composition. I don't think there
is malice and, in any case, they are naive in their belief about
the authority of the work. They are not in the business of
authenticating allegations of authority and authorship. They
believe what they are told.
In 1936, Albert J. Andraud, English horn player with the
Cincinnati SO, published this work under the title "Cassation" as
"an original composition by Mozart discovered in 1906." I have
no idea what went through Andraud's head, or where he got this
quartet for clarinet, oboe, horn, and bassoon, or why it took
from 1906 until 1936 to publish the work the "newly discovered
work."
He may not have been malicious either. But when you are a
publisher and someone brings a work to you for publication, it is
safe to say that your interest is much more peaked when the
seller tells you it is a newly discovered Mozart composition.
Whatever Andraud's motivation, that is what happened, and I
cannot supply his state of mind, or where he got the piece, or
anything.
When Andrau died, Southern music bought his "Wind Instrument
Music Library" and continued to publish it with one minor change.
They authors are now said to be "Mozart/Andraud." I suppose that
this means that Mozart wrote it and Andraud did something,
perhaps edit it. There is no explanation in the publication.
It's just there. It is kind of like a band arrangement of Brahms
1 by Joe Schnutz. It will read "Brahms/Schnutz," though in the
Cassation, there is not claim of this being an arrangements. It
is said to be "an original composition."
When the 6th edition of the Kochel catalog came out in the mid
1960s, the work was briefly addressed and placed in an appendix
reserved for doubtful and spurious compositions, where it is to
this day. Its authenticity was dismissed with the statment,
"This work has nothing to do with Mozart."
I believe (but really don't know) that someone found a source for
the composition and that is that.
When in the late 1960s I wrote an article for the Instrumentalist
about the 10 worst composiitons in the Clarinetist's repertoire,
I included the Cassation Quartet, and made some very negative
comments about it. I received an unfriendly letter from the
President of Southern Music, which told me that the work had to
be genuine Mozart because it had been recorded by wind players
from the Philadelphia orchestra, namely Gigliotti, Mason Jones,
John De Lancie, and Sol Schoenbach. This, in the opinion of the
SMC President established the authenticity of the work beyond
question because "these men would know if the composition was or
was not by Mozart." (This is my recollection of what was written,
not an exact quotation.)
In effect, it was presumed that anything recorded by these men
had to be authentic or else they would not record it. That's an
interesting idea.
I wrote back and told the president that if he presented any
authoritative document supporting the authenticity of the work, I
would publicly apologize for my remarks. But if he could not do
this, then my comments stood.
That was the end of that. I never heard from him again. But I
use that work as an example of how things get into the Mozart
repertoire, and despite hard evidence that speaks against their
authenticity, they never get out.
Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Michlin [mailto:amichlin@-----.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:12 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: [kl] Forgeries (was Orchetral sexism)
I am curious, the use of the word "forgery" has (to me, at least)
the
connotation of someone creating something to intentionally
defraud (as in
your book). Is this Quartet an attempt to defraud or just one of
the many
wishful thinking anonymous compositions?
I would definitely attribute anything Southern Music Company did
to
ignorance before malice. Well, perhaps more appropriately apathy,
they just
don't seem to care to know the truth and, I suppose, this allows
them to
profit from passing on misinformation. I think this is different
than
forgery and would be interested to know if there is a true
forgery in the
history of this piece (and, alas, have no access to BBC4).
-Adam
PS: A rhetorical question, would you really want to be paid in
British
Pizzas? I guess it can't be much worse than what passes for pizza
in
California, though!
At 07:53 AM 8/31/2005 -0700, dnleeson wrote:
>For the British members of the klarinet list, I am going to be
on
>BBC in an interview about Mozart forgiers. It is not about my
>book, but about real forgeries of compositions attributed to
>Mozart. The show will be on BBC4 on either Oct. 20 at 11:30 am.
>And one of the many works that I will indentify as a forgery is
>the Cassation Quartet as published by Southern Music company of
>San Antonio.
>
>Does BBC pay in pizzas?
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:09:39 -0400
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: "Bryan Crumpler" <crumpletox@-----.com>
Subject: BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <BAY103-F24B7187749A25A59582BCBDCA10@-----.gbl>
I presume those auditions are canceled!?! I'll have to ask Mr. Muffitt...
but my gosh, the aftermath on the news about New Orleans is ridiculous with
all the looting and chaos.
Bush sounded kinda corny with his public statement. I haven't been keeping
up with his presidential remarks... but has he declared that an official
disaster area yet? (okay smack me if he has)
Hahaha
Bry
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:03:10 -0400
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Karl Krelove <karlkrelove@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <4316372E.9040307@-----.net>
I think he did the day before the storm hit. Louisiana and Mississippi.
Bryan Crumpler wrote:
> ... but has he declared that an official disaster area yet? (okay
> smack me if he has)
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Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:48:50 +0100
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Joseph Wakeling <joseph.wakeling@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <431641E2.6040708@-----.net>
Bryan Crumpler wrote:
> Bush sounded kinda corny with his public statement. I haven't been
> keeping up with his presidential remarks... but has he declared that
> an official disaster area yet? (okay smack me if he has)
You know, I'm not sure I give a shit about what Bush has said or not
said. What bothers me rather more is the complete failure to effect a
decent evacuation process for the city of New Orleans. Current news
reports are suggesting that hundreds and probably thousands of people
are dead. I cannot understand how a country with the wealth and power
of the US, with the hurricane seen some time in advance, could have so
failed its citizens. This was not a tsunami that arrived without warning.
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:55:57 -0700
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Gary Van Cott <gary@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050831165145.03fd47d0@-----.org>
I hate to be off topic, but it does not appear that the local and state
officials took this threat very seriously.
It also appears that the measures designed to prevent the low lying city of
New Orleans from flooding were completely inadequate.
I don't believe that the locals will have to look very far to assign blame.
Gary
>You know, I'm not sure I give a shit about what Bush has said or not
>said. What bothers me rather more is the complete failure to effect a
>decent evacuation process for the city of New Orleans. Current news
>reports are suggesting that hundreds and probably thousands of people are
>dead. I cannot understand how a country with the wealth and power of the
>US, with the hurricane seen some time in advance, could have so failed its
>citizens. This was not a tsunami that arrived without warning.
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:43:18 -0400
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
From: "Dee Flint" <deeflint01@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <000a01c5ae8e$25dce5f0$6501a8c0@DeeFlint>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Wakeling" <joseph.wakeling@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
> Bryan Crumpler wrote:
>
>> Bush sounded kinda corny with his public statement. I haven't been
>> keeping up with his presidential remarks... but has he declared that an
>> official disaster area yet? (okay smack me if he has)
>
>
> You know, I'm not sure I give a shit about what Bush has said or not
said.
> What bothers me rather more is the complete failure to effect a decent
> evacuation process for the city of New Orleans. Current news reports are
> suggesting that hundreds and probably thousands of people are dead. I
> cannot understand how a country with the wealth and power of the US, with
> the hurricane seen some time in advance, could have so failed its
> citizens. This was not a tsunami that arrived without warning.
>
>
They were all warned with plenty of time to evacuate and were advised to do
so. Many chose not to and thought they could ride it out.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
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Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 01:58:44 +0100
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Joseph Wakeling <joseph.wakeling@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <43165244.6060806@-----.net>
Dee Flint wrote:
> They were all warned with plenty of time to evacuate and were advised
> to do so. Many chose not to and thought they could ride it out.
Not good enough IMO. The authorities *have* to take direct
responsibility for people's safety in a situation like this. It's not
good enough to simply leave each private individual to do things for
themselves. To what extent was there an official evacuation plan and
facilities put in place to facilitate people leaving? To what extent
was the city capable of dealing with eleventh-hour evacuations for
people who changed their minds at the last minute? To what extent did
the authorities recognise the seriousness of the threat enough to
understand that in such circumstances it would be reasonable to
*oblige*, rather than advise, people to evacuate?
"Advising" just undersells the seriousness of the situation. I can't
help but believe that in most first world countries people would have
been told: You *must* get out now because if you don't there is a high
chance you will end up dead. And adequate facilities would have been
put in place to *make* that evacuation happen.
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:28:19 -0400
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Karl Krelove <karlkrelove@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <43166743.5050408@-----.net>
It is worth considering that at least 12 - maybe as many as 18 - hours
before the storm hit, tracking radar showed that the storm center was
changing course such that it was going to pass east of New Orleans,
which would have been hit with the weaker western side of the storm.
And, indeed, that's exactly what happened. As of late Monday night all
reports were that the city had missed taking the beating that had been
feared a couple of days earlier. So, well before the "last minute" many
people may have decided with some apparent reason that the danger didn't
justify leaving after all, and the authorities would have had to spend a
great deal of energy and man-hours finding these people in order to
forcibly evacuate them, man-hours that it appeared were needed more to
help those who were leaving. In fact, the flooding that now has
destroyed so much of the city is the result of the failure and breach of
two of the levees that contained Lake Pontchartrain and kept it from
flooding the city, not of the actual wind and rain that had by that time
passed the city by without flooding and mass destruction.
The cities and beaches along the Mississippi coastline are another
story, and the finger pointing there has already started.
Karl Krelove
Joseph Wakeling wrote:
>
> Not good enough IMO. The authorities *have* to take direct
> responsibility for people's safety in a situation like this. It's not
> good enough to simply leave each private individual to do things for
> themselves. To what extent was there an official evacuation plan and
> facilities put in place to facilitate people leaving? To what extent
> was the city capable of dealing with eleventh-hour evacuations for
> people who changed their minds at the last minute? To what extent did
> the authorities recognise the seriousness of the threat enough to
> understand that in such circumstances it would be reasonable to
> *oblige*, rather than advise, people to evacuate?
>
> "Advising" just undersells the seriousness of the situation. I can't
> help but believe that in most first world countries people would have
> been told: You *must* get out now because if you don't there is a high
> chance you will end up dead. And adequate facilities would have been
> put in place to *make* that evacuation happen.
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:20:52 -0700
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
From: "kevin fay" <kevinfay@-----.com>
Subject: RE: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-ID: <BAY13-DAV6A034D9AC00814CE2901ECEA00@-----.gbl>
Dee Flint wrote:
<<<[Folks in New Orleans] were all warned with plenty of time to evacuate
and were advised to do so. Many chose not to and thought they could ride it
out.>>>
. . and Joseph Wakeling replied:
<<<Not good enough IMO. The authorities *have* to take direct
responsibility for people's safety in a situation like this. It's not good
enough to simply leave each private individual to do things for themselves.
To what extent was there an official evacuation plan and facilities put in
place to facilitate people leaving? To what extent was the city capable of
dealing with eleventh-hour evacuations for people who changed their minds at
the last minute? To what extent did the authorities recognise the
seriousness of the threat enough to understand that in such circumstances it
would be reasonable to *oblige*, rather than advise, people to evacuate?>>>
Joseph - have you ever *been* to New Orleans? Folks down there have a bit
of an independent streak. They were given *plenty* of notice that this was
The Big One. Emergency plans for a Category 3 hurricane have been in place
for decades. Unfortunately, this was a Category 5. (The wind force was
less than that when it came ashore, but the storm surge was the largest in
Louisianan history).
I don't understand your use of the term "oblige." You can't "make" anyone
leave their home if they do not choose to do so. It's a free country -
people make their own decisions, often the wrong ones. They were told that
if they didn't leave they were gonna die. Astonishingly, some dudes
actually tried to *surf* in it - Darwin proven again.
Others weren't stupid, just incapable of leaving because of health or other
issues. There are only so many buses.
The local government in New Orleans and parts thereabouts has the reputation
of being somewhat corrupt and not particularly effective. Even the most
effective government, however, won't change the geography. New Orleans is
basically a bowl cut out of a swamp, most of the city several feet below sea
level. It's surrounded by the largest river on the continent and a big
lake. Levees (similar to the dikes in The Netherlands) are the only thing
that keeps the land dry. (Well, damp).
Most everyone who lives or has ever been to New Orleans knows about the
water everywhere. There are no burials there, as the coffins would float up
- all get cremated or above-ground mausoleums. There are no high-rises
downtown, since the whole city is built on mud. Why anyone would live there
is beyond me.
. . except for the culture, the jazz, and the food of course.
This was one heck of a storm. In Biloxi, entire casinos were carried over
freeway overpasses and carefully placed on top of hotels. New Orleans is a
much older, poorer city. I'm not sure that there's very much that could
have been done.
Let's hope this never happens to Amsterdam.
kjf
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:24:00 -0500
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] BRSO Auditions 2nd Clarinet Tenure Position...
Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20050831222212.03bb7a10@-----.net>
At 12:48 AM 9/1/2005 +0100, Joseph Wakeling wrote:
You know, I'm not sure I give a sh*t about what Bush has said or not
said. What bothers me rather more is the complete failure to effect a
decent evacuation process for the city of New Orleans. Current news
reports are suggesting that hundreds and probably thousands of people are
dead. I cannot understand how a country with the wealth and power of the
US, with the hurricane seen some time in advance, could have so failed its
citizens. This was not a tsunami that arrived without warning.
What would you have them do? Everyone was TOLD to leave the city, but many
were too stubborn to do so. They are the ones suffering now.
Bill Hausmann
If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:13:03 -0700
To: "klarinet@-----.org>
From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subject: The Cassation
Message-ID: <FJEKIMDEOJFJPBKBMDOPMEPNDKAA.dnleeson@-----.net>
Dave Ross of El Paso kindly sent me the following note.
"The Cassation you mention is by Georg Lickl (1769-1843). I have
a photocopy of the original title page, and Kurt Birsak published
an article some years ago in one of the Mozarteum Yearbooks on
the mis-attribution of this piece."
I thank Dave for the information. It confirms what was
established subjectively by the editors of the 6th edition of the
Koechel catalog.
You will note that I never said anything about the work itself.
I am not qualified to state if a work is good or bad. So I have
not said, "That awful work..." or "That heavenly composition..."
It just isn't by Mozart and Albert J. Andraud has a lot of
explaining to do when he gets done with the Sibelius Swan of
Tuenola with the heavenly orchestra.
Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:18:03 -0700
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
From: "kevin fay" <kevinfay@-----.com>
Subject: RE: [kl] The Cassation
Message-ID: <BAY13-DAV2BC4072D1DB412A5444E2CEA00@-----.gbl>
Dan Lesson wrote of The Cassation:
<<<You will note that I never said anything about the work itself.
I am not qualified to state if a work is good or bad. So I have
not said, "That awful work..." or "That heavenly composition...">>>
. . but you *did* list it in "the 10 worst compositions in the
Clarinetist's repertoire" yes? I assume that "worst" means somewhat less
than best, or even good? Excremental?
Or did you mean "wurst" as in tasty?
kjf
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:25:27 -0400
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: "Bryan Crumpler" <crumpletox@-----.com>
Subject: Job: Sinfonia Educational Foundation Director of Development
Message-ID: <BAY103-F138B1140FA74999CF14FADCA10@-----.gbl>
I know some of you have to be Sinfonians... and hundreds of you probably
aren't, but that's no matter. Being a brother of Phi Mu Alpha is not a
requirement. Job description & further details are at:
http://www.sinfonia.org/employment.asp
Bryan
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:42:02 -0700
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Oliver Seely <oseely@-----.edu>
Subject: Re: Cassazione
Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050831163015.01e01aa0@-----.edu>
Following a convincing posting on this forum almost ten years ago I
changed the composer of the Cassazione to Georg Lickl on my Web
page. If anyone out there has a .gif or .jpg file showing the title
page of this work I'd gladly include it where the link to the piece
is offered.
Oliver
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:19:33 -0400
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Fred <fred.sheim@-----.net>
Subject: New Orleans
Message-id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050831211433.03ca5c88@-----.net>
I attended the 2001 Clarinetfest in New Orleans and stayed at the
Hilton New Orleans Riverside Hotel. I was on the fourth floor facing
the river with nothing between me and the river but the narrow
Riverside walk. Does anyone know if that hotel and the surrounding
area (which had an aquarium, an Imax theater, and a "world trade
center" complex, as well as a large casino (Harrah's?)) is under
water? If I remember correctly, many of the houses north of the
hotel were very old, frail, wooden structures.
Fred
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:33:01 -0700
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: Audrey Travis <clr91nt@-----.ca>
Subject: Re: [kl] New Orleans
Message-id: <556F05EC-1A88-11DA-A7CD-000D933DB09C@-----.ca>
News reports say that 80% of New Orleans is under water, so the chances
are very good, though Canal Street, on early reports, wasn't too bad.
I can't remember if those spots are near each other. I was there too.
My prayers and hopes of safety go out to everyone in the devastated
areas, especially in New Orleans and Biloxi which seem to be the worst
of the devastated areas.
Audrey
On 31-Aug-05, at 6:19 PM, Fred wrote:
> I attended the 2001 Clarinetfest in New Orleans and stayed at the
> Hilton New Orleans Riverside Hotel. I was on the fourth floor facing
> the river with nothing between me and the river but the narrow
> Riverside walk. Does anyone know if that hotel and the surrounding
> area (which had an aquarium, an Imax theater, and a "world trade
> center" complex, as well as a large casino (Harrah's?)) is under
> water? If I remember correctly, many of the houses north of the hotel
> were very old, frail, wooden structures.
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:35:28 -0700
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: ormo2ndtoby@-----.net (Ormondtoby Montoya)
Subject: Hurricane in the Gulf
Message-ID: <22434-43167700-1127@-----.net>
As someone who has a relative over whom the storm's eye passed, and from
whom nobody has heard since, I have to agree that:
(a) many people were foolish not to evacuate when they had the physical
and economic ability to do so
(b) the government agencies haven't done their job either.
IMO, the fault is shared by each person and agency, including those who
have talked for years about improving the levies but have not done so
because of the admittedly high cost. But if you choose to live in an
area where the danger is obvious....
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:41:16 -0700
To: klarinet@-----.org
From: ormo2ndtoby@-----.net (Ormondtoby Montoya)
Subject: Re: [kl] Hurricane in the Gulf
Message-ID: <22444-4316785C-75@-----.net>
levies .... levees
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