Klarinet Archive - Posting 000478.txt from 2005/08

From: rob <roomberg@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Tuning vs. Intonation ...how to get perfect pitch and lose
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:03:42 -0400

I'm not being a snob about this perfect pitch stuff.
I know that I don't know how to identify and play NAME THAT NOTE.
Its doesn't matter to me if everyone in the orchestra plays A as 445 or 440.
What matters is that they do match on one or the other and not drift off
each other.
This idea of "in tune' varies from one culture to the next' doesn't hold
water here.
When 15 people play like crap, its crap, sounds bad, and no culture
lines were drawn.
We play orchestra music together and expect a specific result.
Same thing with big band. Don't be straying into jazz progressions and
trying to complicate
definitions now. We've been there before.
Our culture of classical music defines what in tune is supposed to be.
If you drift off far enough, you are out of tune with the rest of the
band.... 445 or 440...whatever the rest of the band settled on.

I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHO TEACHES HOW TO LISTEN so I can learn how to
listen and play along or write out
sheet music to practice with a CD that I stumble onto.
My vision is failing. I can't read sheet music anymore so I want to
learn how to play by ear.
I had a guitar teacher who could listen to any music and write out the
notes for any instrument.
How do you learn how to do that?

Rob

Ormondtoby Montoya wrote:

>Rob wrote:
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>>HOW DOES ONE LEARN PERFECT PITCH?
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>Perhaps I'm re-stating the obvious, Rob, but much (most?) of this
>discussion is not about "perfect pitch".
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>"Perfect pitch" means the ability to identify physical frequency. That
>is, a person with perfect pitch can tell you that a particular "A" is
>being played at 445 instead of 440, etc etc. There's also a
>distinction between "relative" and "absolute" perfect pitch, but these
>sub-categories are still about identifying frequencies.
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>Much of the discussion in this thread has been about the fact that no
>single definition of frequencies 'fits' into every melody or harmony.
>Scales contain a built-in mathematical conflict. The same physical
>frequency (pitch) for a particular note doesn't sound 'in tune' in every
>possible harmony or melody --- and since the feeling of 'in tune' varies
>from one culture to the next, we should qualify the title with phrases
>such as "in Western music", etc etc.
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