Klarinet Archive - Posting 000448.txt from 2005/08
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?sarah=20elbaz?=" <sarah@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Composers as teachers
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:27:24 -0400
I see adifferent problem here:
The people of the list are living in different culturs and understand even the most simple and basic words
differently.
I will give and example:
Tony used the word Truth several times in this debat. The nuance that I read is : there is one and only truth.
I totaly agree: in my culture there is only one truth. But its possible that some people have a different idea
about what is a truth.
Also, some cultures would apriciate a preson for his talent and genius and some for the amount of money that he makes , etc.
Sarah
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> From: Tony Pay <tony.p@-----.org>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Composers as teachers
> Sent: 24 Aug '05 13:46
>
> On 20 Aug, ormo2ndtoby@-----.net (Ormondtoby Montoya) wrote:
>
> > I find it difficult to comprehend this hurling of insults by the 3 or 4
> > people involved.
>
> Bill,
>
> It may seem to be simply a hurling of insults; but isn't, on my side, at
> least.
>
> The truth is that it is not a trivial matter to become a part of a community
> like the community of performing musicians. It cannot be done quickly, and
> it cannot be done without commitment. It requires changes at both conscious
> and unconscious levels.
>
> I suggested somewhere, perhaps on the Bulletin Board, that everyone can
> recreate that truth by looking at something that *they* 'really' know about
> -- and then imagining how they would reply to the assertions of someone who
> doesn't know anything about that something.
>
> You will remember that I was finally very abrasive to you when you told me --
> repeatedly, I'm sorry to say -- that you thought performers should 'put
> something of themselves into the music that they played'. The reason is that
> that way of looking at the matter has had, and continues to have, a
> disastrous influence on young performers. Part of the point of the post that
> generated this latest controversy was to do with that.
>
> I'm sorry, but in this world you, and Vann Joe, are not my equal. You cannot
> expect generous treatment when you assume you are -- and that's not a choice
> of mine, but a fact about the world. About two worlds, indeed.
>
> You can of course expect initial politeness, but when you persist, I will
> shit on you.
>
> These things are not to be understood in a debating forum that makes everyone
> equal.
>
> Can you imagine a Zen master 'teaching' on the Internet?
>
> Tony
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