Klarinet Archive - Posting 000443.txt from 2005/08

From: "Hinsons" <bud@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Composers as teachers
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:08:20 -0400

Would it be a productive undertaking for the list manager to incorporate a
rating system for the herd...instead of or in addition to email addresses he
could do questionnaires and issue a star rating beside each name...something
on the order of ...
technician (listen at your own risk)
*beginner
**intermediate
*** 1-10 years pro
****10-20 years pro
*****20+ and teacher
******20+ and published teacher
*******20+ with teaching, recordings and publishings
********Tony and ____
Seriously...Well said Mr. Pay.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Pay" <tony.p@-----.org>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] Composers as teachers

> On 20 Aug, ormo2ndtoby@-----.net (Ormondtoby Montoya) wrote:
>
> > I find it difficult to comprehend this hurling of insults by the 3 or 4
> > people involved.
>
> Bill,
>
> It may seem to be simply a hurling of insults; but isn't, on my side, at
> least.
>
> The truth is that it is not a trivial matter to become a part of a
community
> like the community of performing musicians. It cannot be done quickly,
and
> it cannot be done without commitment. It requires changes at both
conscious
> and unconscious levels.
>
> I suggested somewhere, perhaps on the Bulletin Board, that everyone can
> recreate that truth by looking at something that *they* 'really' know
about
> -- and then imagining how they would reply to the assertions of someone
who
> doesn't know anything about that something.
>
> You will remember that I was finally very abrasive to you when you told
me --
> repeatedly, I'm sorry to say -- that you thought performers should 'put
> something of themselves into the music that they played'. The reason is
that
> that way of looking at the matter has had, and continues to have, a
> disastrous influence on young performers. Part of the point of the post
that
> generated this latest controversy was to do with that.
>
> I'm sorry, but in this world you, and Vann Joe, are not my equal. You
cannot
> expect generous treatment when you assume you are -- and that's not a
choice
> of mine, but a fact about the world. About two worlds, indeed.
>
> You can of course expect initial politeness, but when you persist, I will
> shit on you.
>
> These things are not to be understood in a debating forum that makes
everyone
> equal.
>
> Can you imagine a Zen master 'teaching' on the Internet?
>
> Tony
> --
> _________ Tony Pay
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> | |ay Oxford OX2 6RE http://classicalplus.gmn.com/artists
> tel/fax 01865 553339
>
> ... Even if you're not, be brave, no one can tell the difference.
>
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