Klarinet Archive - Posting 000441.txt from 2005/08

From: Tony Pay <tony.p@-----.org>
Subj: Re: [kl] Composers as teachers
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:47:13 -0400

On 20 Aug, ormo2ndtoby@-----.net (Ormondtoby Montoya) wrote:

> I find it difficult to comprehend this hurling of insults by the 3 or 4
> people involved.

Bill,

It may seem to be simply a hurling of insults; but isn't, on my side, at
least.

The truth is that it is not a trivial matter to become a part of a community
like the community of performing musicians. It cannot be done quickly, and
it cannot be done without commitment. It requires changes at both conscious
and unconscious levels.

I suggested somewhere, perhaps on the Bulletin Board, that everyone can
recreate that truth by looking at something that *they* 'really' know about
-- and then imagining how they would reply to the assertions of someone who
doesn't know anything about that something.

You will remember that I was finally very abrasive to you when you told me --
repeatedly, I'm sorry to say -- that you thought performers should 'put
something of themselves into the music that they played'. The reason is that
that way of looking at the matter has had, and continues to have, a
disastrous influence on young performers. Part of the point of the post that
generated this latest controversy was to do with that.

I'm sorry, but in this world you, and Vann Joe, are not my equal. You cannot
expect generous treatment when you assume you are -- and that's not a choice
of mine, but a fact about the world. About two worlds, indeed.

You can of course expect initial politeness, but when you persist, I will
shit on you.

These things are not to be understood in a debating forum that makes everyone
equal.

Can you imagine a Zen master 'teaching' on the Internet?

Tony
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