Klarinet Archive - Posting 000331.txt from 2005/05

From: <robink7@-----.net>
Subj: RE: RE: [kl] Wagner!
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:49:05 -0400

yes they do but this is becoming much more than discussions. It is becoming personal bashing with each other.

Robin
>
> From: "Matthew Lloyd" <matthew@-----.uk>
> Date: 2005/05/24 Tue PM 06:39:45 EDT
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Subject: RE: RE: [kl] Wagner!
>
> Don't clarinettists discuss music?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robink7@-----.net]
> Sent: 24 May 2005 23:40
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: RE: [kl] Wagner!
>
> This is getting very political and overwhelming. Enough already about
> Wagner...... I know... let us talk about Clarinets!!!!!
>
> Robin
> >
> > From: "Matthew Lloyd" <matthew@-----.uk>
> > Date: 2005/05/24 Tue PM 04:26:33 EDT
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Subject: RE: [kl] Wagner!
> >
> > This is, I am afraid to say, complete tosh.
> >
> > I'd be surprised if any musician would agree that "his music expresses
> > the most beauty and passion of any composer past or present". Mozart?
> > Need I say more?
> >
> > I have to say I have difficulty knowing exactly where to start with
> the
> > rest. How the statements "his music expresses the most beauty and
> > passion of any
> > composer past or present" and "money couldn't pay me to sit through
> long
> > hours of Wagner's operas" are supposed to sit side by side in the same
> > paragraph is something that I cannot explain. Or understand. Nonsense
> > like this - and it is nonsense whether you like Wagner or not - makes
> me
> > wonder what sort of institution John Sheridan went to.
> >
> > Now I have - recently - "[sat] through long hours of Wagner's operas"
> > and currently hold tickets for Covent Garden to see Walkure (twice)
> and
> > Siegfried (twice), having seen Rheingold (twice), Walkure (twice),
> > Parsifal, Tristan and Meistersinger in the last couple of seasons. I
> saw
> > my first Wagner opera at the English National Opera when I was 14 -
> and
> > that was Gotterdammerung. Until you have seen opera in the theatre,
> you
> > can't really say that you have experienced the work. So for someone to
> > profess love for the Wagnerian music drama, but not to want see it in
> > the opera house? Madness. You, Mr. Sheridan, are an ignorant critic if
> > you maintain the nonsense you wrote.
> >
> > The Bridal Chorus thing is a red herring. Played on an organ it has
> very
> > little Wagner left in it. And a lot of people want it simply because
> > it's "traditional". (I went for the March of the Priests from
> > Zauberflote - now becoming a family tradition!)
> >
> > I don't want to be thought of as a Wagner enthusiast first and
> foremost.
> > I would give every note he wrote for Die Zauberflote. Indeed I'd give
> > every note Wagner wrote for the March of the Priests! Neither would I
> > profess to be particularly knowledgeable - although I feel that seeing
> > each instalment of the Ring twice is allowing me to gain some insight
> > into this complex work.
> >
> > Now I know that a lot of people dislike Wagner for both music and
> > non-musical reasons. That's fair enough. I don't agree with them,
> > although I have a great deal of sympathy for some of the non-musical
> > objections, but I respect their opinion. In essence this response
> isn't
> > about music, but about clear thinking. And in your case, Mr. Sheridan,
> > the lack of it.
> >
> > Like or dislike Wagner as you please. But you don't like it if all you
> > experience is what Newman referred to as bleeding chunks.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Sheridan [mailto:otare@-----.au]
> > Sent: 24 May 2005 08:01
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: [kl] Wagner!
> >
> > I haven't written to this group in a number of years, but this Wagner
> > slamming has got my pressure up. I totally agree the man was NOT a
> nice
> > guy - so what! His music expresses the most beauty and passion of any
> > composer past or present that I am aware of, and I have a university
> > degree
> > in the field! What person involved in music could deny the magic of
> > Liebestod from Tristan and Isolde, the majestic and stirring themes
> like
> > Ride of the Valkeries, Lohengrin, and others. The Pilgrims' Chorus
> > from
> > Tannhauser in monumental as a religious hymn. If our half vast critic
> > has
> > been married and marched in to the Bridal Chorus, then he's being two
> > faced
> > as well as a bigot!
> > While money couldn't pay me to sit through long hours of Wagner's
> > operas, he
> > has to his credit added immeasurable to our rich music heritage. In
> > being
> > so ignorantly critical of music he isn't familiar with, our critic has
> > proven himself equally offensive as the man he so strongly criticizes.
> > Enough is enough.
> >
> > John W. Sheridan
> >
> >
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