Klarinet Archive - Posting 000065.txt from 2005/04

From: "cpringle" <cpringle@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Prokofiev's Overture (was: Concert Announcement)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:25:52 -0400

Quite the contrary; I had highest regard for the pope, and
my wife was a devout catholic prior to her demise. You may
or may not agree that both judiasm and christianity are based
fundamentally on the 10 commandments, and certainly the pope did marvelous
work to reflect these fundamentals - Sorry you found comment a little
barbed - Blame it on my
being a depression kid who grew up in the cornbelt, and saw
many sides to almost every event. - Yes, a lot of jewish friends, too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] Prokofiev's Overture (was: Concert Announcement)

> Dear Mr. or Ms. Pringle:
> You may wish to read the following message regarding the passing of the
> Pope. And then you may wish to reflect why you would dump such a word as
> you mentioned into the conversation. I'm sure you know what it means as
you
> let us know you once had a Jewish rep! How Grand! I think of the Pope's
> contributions (read below) and then I think of yours (kind of like a
needle
> in my eye!). Stop and reflect.
>
> April 3, 2005
>
>
>
>
> STATEMENT ON THE PASSING OF POPE JOHN PAUL II
>
>
>
>
> United Jewish Communities (UJC) and the Jewish Federations of North
America
> today issued the following statement regarding the death of Pope John Paul
> II at age 84:
>
>
>
> "United Jewish Communities and the Jewish Federations of North America
join
> the world in mourning the passing of His Holiness, John Paul II, whose
moral
> leadership and spiritual heroism served humanity for the ages," said UJC's
> CEO and President, Howard M. Rieger.
>
>
>
> It was Pope John Paul II who advanced the Catholic Church's dramatic
> reconciliation with the Jewish people and who led the Vatican in extending
> historic diplomatic relations with Israel. He fought anti-Semitism as "a
sin
> against God and humanity" and pioneered historic inroads in interfaith
> relations between Christianity and Judaism.
>
>
>
> Building on major interfaith efforts of earlier popes including Pope John
> XXIII and Pope Paul VI, John Paul II became the first Vatican leader to
> visit Rome's great synagogue since the time of Peter. It was under John
Paul
> that the church issued the document, "We Remember: A Reflection on the
> Shoah," which criticized historic Christian anti-Semitism and challenged
> Holocaust denial. He also was the first pope to visit the Auschwitz death
> camp memorial, and on the 50th anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising,
he
> told Poles: "As Christians and Jews, following the example of the faith of
> Abraham, we are called to be a blessing to the world. This is the common
> task awaiting us. It is therefore necessary for us, Christians and Jews,
to
> be first a blessing to one another."
>
>
>
> Karol Jozef Wojtyla grew up in a small Polish town with a Jewish minority
> near Krakow in the decades before World War II to a strict Catholic family
> that did not share the country's prevalent anti-Semitism. He was friends
> with Jews and was said to have helped individuals targeted by
anti-Semites.
> As a Polish Cardinal, he visited the synagogue in Krakow in 1968 at the
> height of an anti-Semitic, Soviet-era campaign that forced 34,000 Jewish
> Poles to immigrate to Israel.
>
>
>
> In 2000 the Pope made a long-awaited pilgrimage to Israel, visiting with
top
> Israeli officials, meeting with the leaders of the three main religions,
and
> apologizing to the Jewish people for the sins of Christians over the
> centuries in a note he placed into the Western Wall. On that trip he also
> visited the Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem, and met with survivors from
his
> hometown.
>
>
>
> On Friday, the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Ricardo di Segni, brought a Jewish
> delegation to the Vatican to pray for the pope. Rieger said the Jewish
> Federations of North America extend deep condolences to the Catholic
> community as well.
>
>
>
> "Pope John Paul II worked to heal centuries of pain between Christians and
> Jews," said Rieger. "We offer our prayers for his memory."
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cpringle" <cpringle@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Prokofiev's Overture (was: Concert Announcement)
>
>
> > How about "Kike"? - a Jewish rep I once had in NY, told
> > me that "only a klutz pays gentile"!! any informed person will
> > know that our culture is Judeo-Christian and the Torah is
> > probably the worlds most basic book on Religion and Philosophy, and the
> > dominant factor in civilization.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lelia Loban" <lelialoban@-----.net>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:57 AM
> > Subject: [kl] Prokofiev's Overture (was: Concert Announcement)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sarah Elbaz wrote,
> > > >Be carful people not to fall into the trap of Nazi
> > > >terminology.
> > > >Its the same as using the terms - 1/4 Jew or half
> > > >Jew- such thing doesn't exsists. Same with Yid -
> > > >it only means Jew - the Nazis gave it many other
> > > >meanings but we shouldn't let them win.
> > > >Use Yid and Jew as much as you want - its ok.
> > >
> > > I understand the point you're making, and I agree, on a philosophical
> > > level, about not letting the Nazis win. However, I think there must
be
> > > some language differences between what's acceptable in Israel and
what's
> > > acceptable in the USA. I'm not talking about what "ought to" be
> > > acceptable, but simply about what is or is not acceptable: In the
USA,
> > > when English is being spoken, "Yid" is a fighting word, literally.
> Tough
> > > guys here call a Jew a Yid in order to start a fight. Though friends
in
> > > the USA may sometimes toss an insulting word around in private as a
> weird
> > > form of bonding, I would never use that particular word, even with my
> > > husband, because I'd be afraid that calling him a Yid, even in jest,
> even
> > > after 35 years of a good marriage, could erode the relationship. I'm
in
> > my
> > > mid- 50s, have lived all over the USA, and have never in my life heard
> the
> > > word Yid used in public here as anything but an insult. I've never
> heard
> > > it used by anybody except a bigot or a Jewish comedian making fun of a
> > > bigot.
> > >
> > > People here do use the word "Jew" all the time, but the red flag on
that
> > > word is that "Jew" is a noun meaning a Jewish person and shouldn't be
> used
> > > as any other part of speech in the USA. In the USA, most of those
other
> > > usages are highly offensive, such as, "He jewed him down on the
price,"
> > or,
> > > "She has those Jew ideas." I have heard "Jew" used casually as an
> > > adjective by Jews in one limited, humorous context: my Jewish husband
> and
> > > his family sometimes refer to "Jew food," as in, "Where can we get a
> > decent
> > > corned beef sandwich in this town? Is there any place around here
that
> > > serves Jew food?" I don't use that expression, because I'm not Jewish
> and
> > > I want to be sure I'm not misinterpreted.
> > >
> > > Lelia Loban
> > > "I always pass on good advice. It is the only thing to do with it.
It
> is
> > > never any use to oneself."
> > > --Oscar Wilde, _An Ideal Husband_.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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