Klarinet Archive - Posting 000135.txt from 2005/03

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] German sound
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:01:14 -0500

Well we may have been down this road before, but the journey is
worth several trips.

I do not accept your statement that "many if not most of the
clarinetist[s] are able to agree that one character of sound is
normally described as dark and another as bright." I think you
made up that assertion to support your point.

When and where and how was this statistical conclusion reached?
Was I out of town on that day? Where is such a statement issed
by you as fact printed and supported by objective evidence?

Offering me or anyone such an assertion as if it were an
established fact doesn't do anything. It's technical blather.

That you may think of a sound as bright does not mean that
someone else will hear it the same way as you and also describe
it as bright. I once heard two clarinet players describe one
play as bright (for one) and dark (for the other).

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: pwHarris1 [mailto:pwharris1@-----.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:20 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] German sound

I think that we have been down this road many times before. To
be able to
understand the what the graphical terms mean when applied to
music, we must
first be in agreement with the aural perception that is linked to
each term.
I on one hand think that many if not most of the clarinetist are
able to
agree that one character of sound is normally described as dark
and another
as bright. We may not be able to describe it terms acceptable to
you, but
we are still able to classify those sounds with a general
consensus. I will
always be on this side of the argument and have accepted that I
will never
be able to change the perceptions of the people on the other side
of the
debate.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: [kl] German sound

> How much of the difference that you [allegedly] hear between
> Leister and Morales is real, and how much is because you assume
> that there is a difference, so you find it to be the case.
>
> And if you can characterize the German sound as "Darker and
with
> less of an edge," cannot some with equal earnestness
characterize
> it as "Brighter and with more of an edge"?
>
> Besides that fact that "darker" is enough of a problem, when
you
> add and "edge" to it you place another level of difficulty on
top
> of the problem.
>
> What is an edge?
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pwHarris1 [mailto:pwharris1@-----.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] German sound
>
>
> To refer to German sound is, I feel, one way of describing a
> character of
> sound produce by many individuals, not all of whom are German.
> To me it is
> best illustrated by the sound of Karl Leister. This sound is
> very different
> than the US/French sound produced by people like Ricardo
> Moralles; pardon
> me if the names are not spelled correctly. I would
characterize
> the German
> sound as 'Darker and with less of an edge' but I realize that I
> would be
> pushing Leesons' button by trying to use a graphic visual
> description of an
> aural phenom.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [kl] German sound
>
>
>>I know about Deutsch's work. She is very prolific.
>>
>> One would have to be crazy to deny that there is a
relationship
>> between speech and music, but even Deutsch for whom this is
one
>> of life's hot button, has not even hinted that the sound
>> character of a musical instrument is affected by speech
> patterns.
>>>
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