Klarinet Archive - Posting 000325.txt from 2005/02

From: "sarah elbaz" <sarah@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] composer's intentions
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:25:59 -0500

Dan,
MY OPINION is that the Beethoven violin concerto on the clarinet is a brilliant idea, and the recording of Michael
Collins is brilliant too. I don't need to hear other peoples opinion to know what to think . Knowledge of musical
hiostory is very important - BUT WHAT MY EARS TELL ME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ARGUMENT !
AND MY MUSICAL COMMON SENSE IS MY EARS BEACAUSE I MAKE MUSIC WITH NOTES AND NOT WITH WORDS!
Sarah

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> From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: RE: [kl] composer's intentions
> Sent: 22 Feb 2005 16:59:13
>
> Sarah you are in no position to assert what Mozart and Beethoven
> would and would not mind.  That tired old argument is used for
> anything: "If Mozart had had a [fill in the blank] he certainly
> would have used one."
>
> And your Rampal argument shows a lack of knowledge of musical
> history.  At the time of the publication of the first edition of
> the Mozart clarinet concerto in 1801, there was also a
> publication of the same work for a flute.  So Rampal did not
> suddenly decide to do the work on his instrument.  It was decided
> for him 2 centuries earlier.  So do no think that Rampal's action
> was synonymous with your assertion about how this shows him to
> have been a forward thinker.
>
> The bottom line is that you can justify anything with this free
> swinging assertion about the importance of being open minded and
> full of imagination.  It is a bankrupt, decrepit, and worthless
> argument and it does not cash at any bank.
>
> And how do you know that the Beethoven violin concerto played on
> a clarinet is brilliant?  Did you take a vote on it or are you
> expressing the opinions of lots of other people? The fact that
> you may like something does not necessarily make it brilliant.
> Instead, it may show the opposite; i.e., it could reflect
> negatively on your taste.
>
> These discussions to justify the unjustifiable are like
> corkscrews that turn on themselves and dig us into the ground.
> Count me out of further defenses of what is nothing more than
> musical common sense.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sarah elbaz [mailto:sarah@-----.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:29 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] composer's intentions
>
>
> Performers should be open minded and full of imagination and try
> everything.  The only way to know if an arrangement works is to
> play it.  Have you heard the Beethoven violin concerto played on
> the clarinet?
> The idea is so brilliant!  Also Rampal played the clarinet
> concerto by Mozart.
> I think that Mozart and Beethoven wouldn't mind a good
> performance.
> Sarah Elbaz
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
> > From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> > Subject: RE: [kl] composer's intentions
> > Sent: 22 Feb 2005 16:12:56
> >
> >  I don't know the answer to your question: "What about the many
> >  clear cases of compsoers rearranging pieces themselves?"
> >
> >  OK, then.  What about them?
> >
> >  Does that mean that if Hindemith authorized something to be
> done
> >  on his bassoon sonata, that justifies you or me or my uncle
> max
> >  using an accordion in a Mozart piano sonata under the
> assertion
> >  that "If he had an accordion, he would have used one."  That's
> >  chancy history.
> >
> >  Are there no limitations to the arbitrary alteration of
> someone
> >  else's work?  Can I draw a moustache on the Venus di Milo
> because
> >  it looks good to me?  Why not?  Da Vinci put moustaches on his
> >  paintings of men.
> >
> >  Peter, I expect much better hypotheses and arguments from you.
> >
> >  Dan Leeson
> >  DNLeeson@-----.net
> >
> >
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> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Peter Stoll [mailto:peterstoll2000@-----.ca]
> >  Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:22 AM
> >  To: klarinet@-----.org
> >  Subject: [kl] composer's intentions
> >
> >
> >  What about the many clear cases of composers
> >  rearranging pieces themselves?:
> >
> >  -Hindemith personally authorizing transcription of the
> >  Bassoon Sonata for bass clarinet
> >  -Prokofiev rearranging the Flute Sonata for violin
> >  -Khatchaturian authorizing transcribing the Violin
> >  Concerto for flute? (according to Rampal's liner
> >  notes)
> >
> >
> >  =====
> >  Peter Stoll
> >
> >  University of Toronto
> >  Royal Conservatory of Music
> >  RCM College of Examiners
> >  Toronto Philharmonia
> >  ERGO ensemble
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