Klarinet Archive - Posting 000320.txt from 2005/02

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] composer's intentions
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:01:36 -0500

Sarah you are in no position to assert what Mozart and Beethoven
would and would not mind. That tired old argument is used for
anything: "If Mozart had had a [fill in the blank] he certainly
would have used one."

And your Rampal argument shows a lack of knowledge of musical
history. At the time of the publication of the first edition of
the Mozart clarinet concerto in 1801, there was also a
publication of the same work for a flute. So Rampal did not
suddenly decide to do the work on his instrument. It was decided
for him 2 centuries earlier. So do no think that Rampal's action
was synonymous with your assertion about how this shows him to
have been a forward thinker.

The bottom line is that you can justify anything with this free
swinging assertion about the importance of being open minded and
full of imagination. It is a bankrupt, decrepit, and worthless
argument and it does not cash at any bank.

And how do you know that the Beethoven violin concerto played on
a clarinet is brilliant? Did you take a vote on it or are you
expressing the opinions of lots of other people? The fact that
you may like something does not necessarily make it brilliant.
Instead, it may show the opposite; i.e., it could reflect
negatively on your taste.

These discussions to justify the unjustifiable are like
corkscrews that turn on themselves and dig us into the ground.
Count me out of further defenses of what is nothing more than
musical common sense.

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: sarah elbaz [mailto:sarah@-----.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:29 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] composer's intentions

Performers should be open minded and full of imagination and try
everything. The only way to know if an arrangement works is to
play it. Have you heard the Beethoven violin concerto played on
the clarinet?
The idea is so brilliant! Also Rampal played the clarinet
concerto by Mozart.
I think that Mozart and Beethoven wouldn't mind a good
performance.
Sarah Elbaz

-------Original Message-------
> From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: RE: [kl] composer's intentions
> Sent: 22 Feb 2005 16:12:56
>
> I don't know the answer to your question: "What about the many
> clear cases of compsoers rearranging pieces themselves?"
>
> OK, then.  What about them?
>
> Does that mean that if Hindemith authorized something to be
done
> on his bassoon sonata, that justifies you or me or my uncle
max
> using an accordion in a Mozart piano sonata under the
assertion
> that "If he had an accordion, he would have used one."  That's
> chancy history.
>
> Are there no limitations to the arbitrary alteration of
someone
> else's work?  Can I draw a moustache on the Venus di Milo
because
> it looks good to me?  Why not?  Da Vinci put moustaches on his
> paintings of men.
>
> Peter, I expect much better hypotheses and arguments from you.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Stoll [mailto:peterstoll2000@-----.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:22 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] composer's intentions
>
>
> What about the many clear cases of composers
> rearranging pieces themselves?:
>
> -Hindemith personally authorizing transcription of the
> Bassoon Sonata for bass clarinet
> -Prokofiev rearranging the Flute Sonata for violin
> -Khatchaturian authorizing transcribing the Violin
> Concerto for flute? (according to Rampal's liner
> notes)
>
>
> =====
> Peter Stoll
>
> University of Toronto
> Royal Conservatory of Music
> RCM College of Examiners
> Toronto Philharmonia
> ERGO ensemble
> Talisker Players
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