Klarinet Archive - Posting 000078.txt from 2005/02

From: "Aaron Hayden" <haydenmusic@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] loose barrel rings
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:20:03 -0500

Ok I must re-explain myself what I meant "if a clarinet wants to crack it
will" What I am referring to is that a piece of wood is a natural product
and it does have microscopic flaws. Sometime the flaws can be detected and
sometimes not. When these instruments are mass produced, do you think that
every clarinet is x-rayed to see if there might be a hidden problem within
the grain? Sometimes no matter what you do, whether you oil it every day,
play in a climate controlled room, keep a humidistat in your case this will
happen. As a matter of fact years ago Hans showed me a clarinet that was
well maintained that had a crack running down the top of the tenon into the
throat A the customer wanted the tenon replaced. So Hans completely split
the tenon apart by the crack. The wood was not dried out, but by looking at
both sides of the split, there was an airpocket(or space in the center of
the wood) within the grain of the wood. You could not see this from
inside the bore or the exterior of the body. He also looked at the opposite
side of the crack, and there was no airpocket , the grain was extremely
tight.

Aaron Hayden
Aaron Hayden Band Instrument Repair
Cape Coral, Fl 33990
239-297-8643
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rommel John Miller" <rjmiller@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] loose barrel rings

> "If a clarinet wants to crack it will?"
>
> Does the wood from which the clarinet is made have a mind of its own, or
> as is more on the point, the wood of which a clarinet is made is subject
> to the harsh conditions of its environment.
>
> The point therefore is to control the environment in which the wood of the
> clarinet finds itself.
>
> And control can be accomplished with humidifiers, humistats, and good old
> organic bore oil -- namely olive oil.
>
> If properly cared for a clarinet is likely to never crack due to it being
> stressed or overtly dried-out.
>
> And the will of G-D or whatever Supreme Being you may ascribe your faith
> in, has nothing to do with whether the clarinet will crack, only poor
> maintenance.
>
> This comes from a man who has an advanced degree in Philosophy, and is
> struggling to regain his musical prowess and I make no claim to be an
> expert or authority in this matter, but rather a messenger of those who
> are -- namely Larry Naylor.
>
> Also, a little logic and simple common sense goes a long way.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rommel John Miller
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Hayden" <haydenmusic@-----.com>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] loose barrel rings
>
>
>> By putting paper don't necessary mean that a clarinet will crack. It can
>> last for years. It's just not a proper and permanant remedy for a loose
>> ring. If a clarinet wants to crack it will, but proper ring tightening
>> and proper maintenance(i.e. correct oil, not what you buy in a music
>> store) can avoid a problem.
>>
>> Aaron Hayden
>> Aaron Hayden Band Instrument Repair
>> Cape Coral, Fl 33990
>> 239-297-8643
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karl Krelove" <karlkrelove@-----.net>
>> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:38 PM
>> Subject: RE: [kl] loose barrel rings
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Aaron Hayden [mailto:haydenmusic@-----.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:44 AM
>>>> Here's a question, if paper & glue was such a great fix or the
>>>> proper
>>>> way to tighten rings why doesn't the manufacturers use this procedure
>>>> and
>>>> then sell ring tightening paper or glue to make more profit?
>>>> Something to
>>>> think about.
>>>
>>> I haven't really seen a defense in this thread of glue, which seems to
>>> me
>>> like a dangerous fix because the ring may need to be removed one day and
>>> the
>>> glue will make that difficult or impossible, depending on the glue.
>>>
>>> Manufacturers don't use paper because they are geared to do as much by
>>> machine as possible and using paper is hand work. Hand-fitting
>>> mass-produced
>>> rings initially to mass-produced barrels or bells, given the variability
>>> in
>>> each during a manufacturing run, would involve a prohibitive amount of
>>> time
>>> which can be saved by a mechanical approach. And I don't doubt that a
>>> better
>>> or at least tighter initial fit results from using a ring machine. But
>>> if I
>>> have two loose rings on my reasonably well-humidified barrel and want to
>>> keep them from sliding off, I don't see why paper shims applied
>>> carefully
>>> around the entire circumference of the ring seat would have any effect
>>> on
>>> cracking potential. Having see any number of very highly qualified techs
>>> use
>>> this same method without apparently any bad experiences, I can't see
>>> what's
>>> wrong with paper shims.
>>>
>>> Karl Krelove
>>>
>>>
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