Klarinet Archive - Posting 000058.txt from 2005/02
From: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Another mistake in K. 622???
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:35:40 -0500
Dear Dan, Gary and //Erik,
Thanks for your suggestions and thoughts. I just got through shopping
at my Apple iTunes Store and see that they offer four recordings. Two
are by Von Karajan. Both are Deutsche Grammophon products. The one Eric
mentioned is with the Weiner Phil and the other is with the Berliner
Phil., The third recording a Tel Arc recording of Academy of St.
Martin, conducted by Sir Neville Marriner and the last is a Decca
recording by the Academy of Ancient Music, conducted by Christopher
Hogwood.
I've listened to many of the samplings and they all sound good. I'm
inclined not to buy von Karajan recordings for personal reasons. I
guess I'm down to the two offered as downloads from Apple @-----.99 or
the one suggested by Gary Van Cott that would cost a little more, but
also looks very good.
None of the four listed by Apple comments on who did the completion or
reconstruct. I guess you would have to dig into the liner notes to
know.
If I were rich, it wouldn't be a problem......I'd buy'm all!
If anyone else has their favorite, please, I'd like to hear about it.
Yours truly,
Richard Bush
760 Robins Avenue
Ogden, UT 84404
1 (801) 393-7265
rbushidioglot@-----.net
On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:44 PM, dnleeson wrote:
> I have never heard a recording of 626 in which the basset horns
> were not uniformly excellent. So there are none that I have
> heard that I would exclude. More important is that you need to
> specificy (unlike in any other piece of music) which completion
> you prefer. There are at least 6 and musically there are
> significant differences.
>
> There is the completion by Sussmayr, made in 1792, by Franz Beyer
> ca 1960, by Richard Maunder, ca 1980, by Duncan Druce, ca 1988
> (which employs a highly elaborate basset horn part written
> especially for the English virtuoso and basset horns "what's his
> name," I've forgotten but he is physically disabled to the point
> of requiring a wheelchair, though you would never know that from
> his playing), by H.C. Robbins Landon, and finally the completion
> of Robert Levin recorded in both a European setting of
> contemporary instruments (Rilling conducting) and an American
> setting of original instruments) both excellent, and was recorded
> for a third time only last weekend by the Atlanta Symphony
> scheduled for future release.
>
> Bottom line, you will find very little bad basset horn playing on
> professional recordings.
>
> Now this information should cost $25. But instead, go to
> www.leesonbooks.com and buy a copy of Opus Ultimum: the story of
> the Mozart Requiem. That will cost you $25. The author, besides
> his brilliance, good looks, understanding of how to coordinate
> accessories, and sweet nature, is also a terrific dancer. Do not
> introduce him to your wife or girlfiend for they will fall in
> love with him in a moment. He will autograph the book for you for
> $2. It should be more but that is all he can afford to pay you
> at the moment.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Bush [mailto:rbushidioglot@-----.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:20 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Another mistake in K. 622???
>
>
> Dan & List,
>
> This is somewhat off topic with this thread, except it is about
> Mozart
> and it is about clarinets.
>
> I'm a fan of basset horns. I want to get a high quality CD of
> Mozart's
> Requiem. What recordings would you recommend? They must be
> recordings
> that include well played basset horns. Catalog numbers, record
> labels,
> etc. would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Richard Bush
>
> rbushidioglot@-----.net
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:06 PM, dnleeson wrote:
>
>> That is a much bigger job. That this notation was accepted in
>> the 18th century is pretty much well established, and while I
> was
>> advised that Mozart used it elsehwere, I have not made the
> effort
>> to find exactly that notation it in other places. It's
> actually
>> worse than that. The other places are in manuscripts that have
>> also disappeared, one being the bassoon concerto.
>>
>> I have absolutely seen him use that notation with a half note
> and
>> four dots underneath (though slightly different because there
> is
>> a slash in the half note's stem) but this is the first time I
>> have ever seen it with a half note and two dots.
>>
>> Notwithstanding the absence of the notation elsewhere, I'm
> going
>> with this because the evidence is quit persuasive, though one
> can
>> always be wrong about this sort of thing. In fact, I am
> writing
>> up a technical paper on it now. That's not something I can do
>> rapidly. It will take a month to get everthing right. I even
>> found a translation error in the famous letter from Constanze
>> about the stolen portmanteau of Stadler.
>>
>> It has to be absolutely accurate to the extent that that
>> objective can be achieved.
>>
>> Dan Leeson
>> DNLeeson@-----.net
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Roberts [mailto:timr@-----.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:57 AM
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Another mistake in K. 622???
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:55:05 -0800, "dnleeson"
>> <dnleeson@-----.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You and Tony may be right about the lack of dots on the violin
>>> part. I'll have to check it again when I have time. But I
> was
>>> so amazed at the dots on the basset horn part and the
>> implication
>>> of that abbreviation that I went ga-ga for about 10 minutes.
> I
>>> may write something about that for The Clarinet. Some might
>>> think it a small thing, but I think it is hot doo-doo. To
> find
>> a
>>> possible error in 622 at the juncture of history is non
> trivial.
>>>
>>
>> Is there a precedent in Mozart's other autographs for this
>> notation?
>>
>> One of the key things I have learned from your posts, Dan, is
>> that we
>> should be skeptical of interpretations that are not consistent
>> with the
>> composer's established patterns.
>> --
>> - Tim Roberts, timr@-----.com
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