Klarinet Archive - Posting 000198.txt from 2004/11

From: "Abraham Gamboa" <abraham.gamboa@-----.br>
Subj: Re: [kl] RE: elections
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:46:17 -0500

What's unnatural about having sex with humans once they have reached
puberty? Many societies have done so, the tabu seems like western christian
values again. Many of our grand and great-grandparents got married at 13 and
since these practices like homosexuality have been around in most societies
since the beginning of time they must be natural and legitimate.
What about poligamy, a wide spread pratice amongst muslims and in
Africa!!?? I bet western men would get the hell beat out of them by the
group of wives just kidding...what's this so called passive male syndrome
stuff?? Abe
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From: "Robert Bell" <clarinetmail@-----.uk>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [kl] RE: elections

> Why isn't it natural for same sex couples to get married?
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> What is unnatural about it?
>
> Rob
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dnleeson [mailto:dnleeson@-----.net]
> Sent: 04 November 2004 18:45
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] RE: elections
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> I add to Walter's remarks that I, too, was in the corporate business
> world, in my case for 30 years, and my perspective is slightly
> different.
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> As long as the business is coming in strong and thing are not only good
> but look good for the future, the corporate world is anxious to provide
> benefits for its employees. And these benefits range all over the
> financial and social spectrum. You ought to see things like the Yahoo,
> eBay, and Google campuses. But in that world, things are good and look
> good for the forseeable future.
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> But when things get difficult and it is not possible to predict a
> supremely rosy picture for five or more years out, the tendency is to
> draw back on benefits, reducing them as much as possible because they
> are such a big chunk of the corporate expenses. Sometimes they make
> changes so bold that the employees sue them, and in several recent
> cases, won the suits.
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> I don't think that management behaves like the traditional (and very
> much imaginary) business monsters because that is their nature. They
> behave in whatever way they have to in order to preserve the bottom line
> because their first objective is not the workforce but the stockholders.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: GrabnerWG@-----.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:42 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] RE: elections
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> In a message dated 11/4/2004 10:50:04 AM Central Standard Time,
> forestaten@-----.net writes: When in fact, his corporate buddies lurk
> in the wings saying, "Christ, how the hell will we be able to provide
> benefits to all of these people"? "Save us, save us.....">>
>
> You are too charitable, Forest. Corporate America is busy trying to
> figure out how NOT to provide benefits. Mind you, I am not
> anti-business, I was in the corporate world for 20 years. But, this IS
> what is going on, and has been going on for a LONG time, and to ignore
> it or refuse to see it is naive.
>
> Walter Grabner
> www.clarinetXpress.com
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