Klarinet Archive - Posting 000162.txt from 2004/11

From: "Robert Bell" <clarinetmail@-----.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] RE: elections
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:21:34 -0500

Why isn't it natural for same sex couples to get married?

What is unnatural about it?

Rob

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From: dnleeson [mailto:dnleeson@-----.net]
Sent: 04 November 2004 18:45
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] RE: elections

I add to Walter's remarks that I, too, was in the corporate business
world, in my case for 30 years, and my perspective is slightly
different.

As long as the business is coming in strong and thing are not only good
but look good for the future, the corporate world is anxious to provide
benefits for its employees. And these benefits range all over the
financial and social spectrum. You ought to see things like the Yahoo,
eBay, and Google campuses. But in that world, things are good and look
good for the forseeable future.

But when things get difficult and it is not possible to predict a
supremely rosy picture for five or more years out, the tendency is to
draw back on benefits, reducing them as much as possible because they
are such a big chunk of the corporate expenses. Sometimes they make
changes so bold that the employees sue them, and in several recent
cases, won the suits.

I don't think that management behaves like the traditional (and very
much imaginary) business monsters because that is their nature. They
behave in whatever way they have to in order to preserve the bottom line
because their first objective is not the workforce but the stockholders.

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: GrabnerWG@-----.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:42 AM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: Re: [kl] RE: elections

In a message dated 11/4/2004 10:50:04 AM Central Standard Time,
forestaten@-----.net writes: When in fact, his corporate buddies lurk
in the wings saying, "Christ, how the hell will we be able to provide
benefits to all of these people"? "Save us, save us.....">>

You are too charitable, Forest. Corporate America is busy trying to
figure out how NOT to provide benefits. Mind you, I am not
anti-business, I was in the corporate world for 20 years. But, this IS
what is going on, and has been going on for a LONG time, and to ignore
it or refuse to see it is naive.

Walter Grabner
www.clarinetXpress.com
World-class clarinet mouthpieces

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