Klarinet Archive - Posting 000213.txt from 2004/10
From: "Keith" <100012.1302@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] RE: klarinet Digest 7 Oct 2004 08:15:00 -0000 Issue 5564
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:43:18 -0400
Dear Dan, Tony, Jesse, Adam and Forest,
Thanks for all the very helpful stuff. Dan, I will check the ICA library -
your huge donation is still uncatalogued!
Tony, I do have Sibelius 2 (will go to 3 soon) and would much appreciate the
Sibelius files (score alone will do fine as I can break out the parts if it
imports). Is it public domain? If that doesn't work, as Forest suggests,
could you send me the MIDI? Please email me off list (I have broadband so no
problem with big files). If successful and the printing turned out better
than Compusic, I would gladly make updated versions available to list
members.
I will look at Emerson and Orpheus. It would actually be interesting (in the
context of a workshop, which we are doing) to look at different
realizations. Forest, as you have probaly guessed, I am looking at this for
the Kammermusik workshop in February, so you have a personal interest! I
look forward to discussing this with you in a couple of weeks when I visit.
Jesse, I have written to Thompson to find out what they can do. It is not
currently in their list but I'd like to know which edition they can get hold
of anyway.
I am also interested in who did each of these editions and when, and what
people think of them. It's interesting to read the comments from Dan and
Tony, especially the X-ray vision remark.
And Tony, where are you playing this Saturday - in the UK or are you still
abroad?
Keith Bowen
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:33:57 +0100
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Keith" <100012.1302@-----.com>
> Subject: Beethoven 7 for wind octet
>
> I am trying to locate a score and if possible playing parts for the
> HarmonieMusik wind octet arrangement of Beethoven 7 that is
> contemporary
> with Beethoven and possibly authorized by him. (Not the modern version
> recorded by the Netherlands Wind Ensemble). Does anyone know
> the publisher
> and/or source?
>
> Keith Bowen
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:50:05 -0700
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
> Message-ID: <FJEKIMDEOJFJPBKBMDOPGEHJCLAA.dnleeson@-----.net>
>
> I donated a set of those parts to the clarinet library in
> Maryland or wherever it is. It's really a dreadful arrangement,
> an absolute screamer, and with four movements of blowing your
> brains out. Both clarinet parts are in C.
>
> But if you want a great arrangement of something by Beethoven,
> try the Fidelio Harmonie. It was on sale at Musica Rara but that
> was quite a time ago.
>
> I also donated a set of parts (in manuscript) for the Beethoven
> Pathetique Piano sonata in Harmoniemusik. Terrific piece, and
> both the slow and final movements are worth the price.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith [mailto:100012.1302@-----.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:34 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
>
> I am trying to locate a score and if possible playing parts for
> the
> HarmonieMusik wind octet arrangement of Beethoven 7 that is
> contemporary
> with Beethoven and possibly authorized by him. (Not the modern
> version
> recorded by the Netherlands Wind Ensemble). Does anyone know the
> publisher
> and/or source?
>
> Keith Bowen
>
>
> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:58:03 +0100
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Tony Pay <tony.p@-----.org>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
> Message-ID: <6b7ad8f94c.tony.p@-----.org>
>
> On 6 Oct, "Keith" <100012.1302@-----.com> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to locate a score and if possible playing parts for the
> > HarmonieMusik wind octet arrangement of Beethoven 7 that is
> contemporary
> > with Beethoven and possibly authorized by him. (Not the
> modern version
> > recorded by the Netherlands Wind Ensemble). Does anyone
> know the publisher
> > and/or source?
>
> The scoring is actually wind octet plus contrabassoon.
>
> There is Edition Compusic, Amsterdam -- I don't know how you
> get hold of
> that, as I think Compusic is now EMC. I got it from June Emerson:
>
> http://www.dmt.hiway.co.uk/acatalog/
>
> The parts are rather scruffy (early computer style), and the
> clarinets are
> only in Bb. I have Sibelius7 files of the parts in C, but I
> don't think
> they're compatible with the PC/Mac versions of Sibelius.
> (I'd post hard copy
> to you if necessary.)
>
> Also, there is a much more expensive version from Ut Orpheus,
> which also has
> only clarinet parts in Bb:
>
> http://www.utorpheus.com/libreria/libreria.php?autore=beethove
n&titolo=&organico=&l=it&search_request_button=cerca&RECORD_INDEX%28ricerca%
29=91
>
> That web address wraps, so you'll have to type it in, probably.
>
> We made do with the Compusic, as the Italian version looks
> rather overedited.
>
> We played it on original instruments -- in fact, we're
> playing the Scherzo
> as an encore this Saturday. It is a bit of a blow, as Dan
> says; but if well
> played, it has been said by quite knowledgeable members of
> the audience to
> present an exciting and interesting vision -- a sort of
> X-ray, in the sense
> that you hear details that you don't usually -- of the
> symphony. The opening
> of the slow movement, on bassoons, is particularly pleasing.
>
> Tony
> --
> _________ Tony Pay
> |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd tony.p@-----.org
> | |ay Oxford OX2 6RE
> http://classicalplus.gmn.com/artists
> tel/fax 01865 553339
>
> ... Taglines that make you go "Hmmm..."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:51:34 -0400
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Adam Michlin <amichlin@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
> Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041006194347.022d17f8@-----.com>
>
> Tony,
>
> Although I've never tried it, the more modern versions of
> Sibelius for the
> PC/Mac (after 2.0, I think, and certainly after 3.0) do claim
> to be able to
> import Sibelius7 files.
>
> For the rest of the list, Sibelius originated in the UK on a
> little known
> in the states computer known as the Acorn. It was quite
> successful, but the
> owners of Sibelius decided they wanted to expand into the
> PC/Macintosh
> world. Initially, Sibelius for the PC/Mac didn't read the
> files created on
> the Acorn.
>
> -Adam
>
> At 11:58 PM 10/6/2004 +0100, Tony Pay wrote:
> >OThe parts are rather scruffy (early computer style), and
> the clarinets are
> >only in Bb. I have Sibelius7 files of the parts in C, but I
> don't think
> >they're compatible with the PC/Mac versions of Sibelius.
> (I'd post hard copy
> >to you if necessary.)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:09:11 -0500
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.net>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
>
>
> Tony,
>
> Will Sibelius allow you to save the file out as MIDI? If so,
> it would simply
> be a matter of adding (editorial/original) marks into the parts.
>
> Forest Aten
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:32:43 -0400
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Jesse Rogers <jar2321@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
> Message-ID: <41649CBB.2010905@-----.com>
> <snip>
> Keith, Thompson editions has the score and parts,I don't know which
> version it is. Following is a reply to my inquiry of them:
>
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:42:32 +0100
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Tony Pay <tony.p@-----.org>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Beethoven 7 for wind octet
> Message-ID: <b77e08fa4c.tony.p@-----.org>
>
> On 7 Oct, "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.net> wrote:
>
> > > The parts are rather scruffy (early computer style), and
> the clarinets
> > > are only in Bb. I have Sibelius7 files of the parts in
> C, but I don't
> > > think they're compatible with the PC/Mac versions of
> Sibelius. (I'd post
> > > hard copy to you if necessary.)
> >
> > Tony,
> >
> > Will Sibelius allow you to save the file out as MIDI? If
> so, it would
> > simply be a matter of adding (editorial/original) marks
> into the parts.
>
> Yes, Sibelius7 does allow that. Who wants to try importing
> the actual files,
> though, as Adam suggests may be possible on later versions of PC/Mac
> Sibelius?
>
> Tony
> --
> _________ Tony Pay
> |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd tony.p@-----.org
> | |ay Oxford OX2 6RE
> http://classicalplus.gmn.com/artists
> tel/fax 01865 553339
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