Klarinet Archive - Posting 000572.txt from 2004/08

From: Simeon Loring <sloring1@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Internal evidence
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:55:38 -0400

Speaking of the eingang, there is an interesting one offered by I
forget whom in the Clarinet Concerto slow movement: the Bb followed by
a low E and back to the tune.
On Aug 19, 2004, at 4:48 PM, dnleeson wrote:

> There is no vacuum at all if you know what to look for.
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> When a composer wants a cadenza his places a fermata on a tonic
> chord in the second inversions. Translated from the greek,
> italian, french, german, or serbo croation, that means PLAY A
> CADENZA.
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> When the fermata is on a dominant 7th chord, that means PLAY AN
> EINGANG.
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> You, as the performer are supposed to know what a cadenza is, wha
> you do, how you get out of it, and what not to do. Same thing
> with an eingang. That is what a course is performance practice
> is supposed to teach you.
>
> Dan Leeson
> DNLeeson@-----.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ormondtoby Montoya [mailto:ormondtoby@-----.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:23 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Internal evidence
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> Dan Leeson wrote:
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>> Wrong direction. One view was that the fact of
>> improvisation was so ingrained in the Italian
>> culture that there was no need to document it.
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> Sorry, I didn't mean to focus on one particular language or
> culture.
>
> Composers wouldn't be composers if they just told us to write our
> own
> music. (You open the score, for which you paid $27.95, and it
> says
> "Improvise 297 measures in your favorite key, then close with the
> tonic.")
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> However, what catches my attention is the notational semi-vacuum
> that
> seems to exist concerning the location of expected
> improvisations ---
> aside from the notation "cadenza" during the few measures of a
> cadence.
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> This doesn't prove anything, but it catches my attention. If a
> composer expects it, why hasn't a notation arisen over the
> centuries to
> notate the location more explicitly?
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