Klarinet Archive - Posting 000759.txt from 2004/07

From: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: Measuring sound character
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:28:49 -0400

At 05:55 PM 7/19/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Bill Hausmann wrote:
>
> > The FIRST thing we need to do is establish
> > whether or not a measurable difference even
> > EXISTS.
>
>The on-line graphs that I cited earlier:
>
>http:hughes38.som.ohio-state.edu
>
>are useful because they demonstrate the *complexity* of information that
>is included in the graph of a tone.
>
>It seems to me that the question is not whether a difference exists
>between two tones --- since no two tones are identical. Rather, the
>question is whether a researcher can identify which of the hundreds
>(thousands? millions? billions?) of differing data points in a pair of
>graphs correspond to something that a human being can identify as being
>unique --- regardless of whether other human beings can recognize the
>same uniqueness and regardless of whether human beings can agree on a
>verbal description of the unique feature,
>
>During my admittedly brief off-list discussions with Dr. Pyne, he felt
>(at that time) that the answer to this question [my paraphrase
>thereof] is: "No, there's simply too much data in a graph. Should we
>look at individual peaks or valleys in the graph, or at relationships
>between certain peaks or valleys, or at summations of entire bands that
>include a peak or valley, or at relationships between summations of
>various bands, or at smoothness of the slopes that lead toward certain
>peaks or valleys, or at relationships between the smoothnesses of slopes
>that lead to certain peaks or valleys......etc etc etc?"

I never said it was going to be EASY! But like I said, if it can be
established that there IS a significant, consistent, repeatable difference
in the sound as revealed by the graphs, THEN you can go about delving into
the possible MEANING of that difference.

Bill Hausmann

If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!

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