Klarinet Archive - Posting 000596.txt from 2004/07

From: "Holger Baxmann" <holger@-----.com>
Subj: AW: AW: AW: [kl] Political Rant - do not open if you are offended
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:44:54 -0400

> 1. Bax is there a remote possibility that an idea separate
> from UN sanction is possible? This is a very serious question
> from me to you.
>

Not now.

> 2. Is there any possibility that two well meaning people can
> have differing ideas on the solution to a problem?
>

indeed, it is. :)

bax

> Jimmy
>
> Holger Baxmann wrote:
>
> > > Bax,
> > > Where to start.
> >
> > Right here.
> >
> > > 1. The US constitution does not guarantee American
> citizens a job,
> > > education, or health care. We are free to pursue these wonderful
> > > things in any way that is legal. I am not really
> impressed with the
> > > argument that everyone has to right to anything except
> the freedom
> > > to be productive and earn what ever in life they value
> most. 2. What
> > > the hell does this have to with playing clarinet?
> > >
> >
> > 1)
> > BTW: These rights are part of the United Nations Convention
> of Human
> > Rights. And a right is not a guaranty. It is a right that you are
> > able to fight for
> > - by law.
> > Yes. The US. Uhu. You believe in the separation of powers.
> Ok. Welcome to
> > the reality.
> >
> > Do you know, that if i am comming to the nothern area of your
> > continent, southside of canada, not a single one, not the thinnest
> > shadow of _any_ human right nor law right is given to me as a
> > non-member of your spanning all over the world 'US'? Not a single
> > phone call.
> >
> > 'US' is not the same as 'us', it is you. The people on the
> other side.
> > From every other point of view in the remainder of the
> world. We all
> > are strangers most likely in a globalized world. We have a
> globalized
> > world. QED: You are reading this words here. You do not
> read it in the
> > United States of America.
> >
> > 2) I will do my very best to make music, because it is one
> way to be
> > and feel 'us'.
> >
> > > Been back here for two days and I will be leaving now.
> > >
> > > All I have for my time and trouble is some folks
> promoting a book of
> > > unknown literary value and some socialist ranting about what is
> > > wrong with the greatest country on the face of this wonderful
> > > planet. Y'all come now and tell your moma and them I said howdy.
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> >
> > If, then, marxist - this much time has to be spend.
> >
> > bax
> >
> > > Holger Baxmann wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >> If you have a workable system, propose it to your
> > > > > congressman. The
> > > > > >> rub is that so far no one has come up with a system that
> > > > > will work.
> > > > > >> The proposals to date are such that
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Fine. We all and I mean in this gloablized wold literally
> > > > > 'all', have a
> > > > > >non working system - so let's stay with this instead of
> > > asking each
> > > > > >other for a another.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I did not say that we should quit trying to come up with
> > > ideas but
> > > > > instead challenge people to be part of the process of
> > > coming up with
> > > > > the ideas. While everyone works on developing that new
> > > system, it is
> > > > > of course necessary to continue with the old.
> > > > >
> > > > > While the US system has its flaws, it is working
> > > reasonably well.
> > > > > Here in the Detroit area, we have Canadians frequently
> > > coming across
> > > > > to get care that they cannot get in a timely fashion in
> > > Canada yet
> > > > > they have a national healthcare system for all citizens. The
> > > > > Canadian system has resulted in a shortage of doctors and
> > > nurses.
> > > > > Patients there must sometimes wait dangerously long times
> > > for vital
> > > > > surgeries.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The same issue is here for cardiological things or good
> > > tooth doctors
> > > > ... but people with enough money are able to come in right
> > > now. IMHO
> > > > money should have nothing, and i mean no thing, to do with
> > > money. Ok,
> > > > nurses and doctors has to been paid, material has to be bought,
> > > > but these are not healthcare issue - they are not nescessarily
> > > > human related. Like in the case of Teachers, of Artists
> (sic!) ...
> > > >
> > > > > >> costs would go even higher or there would be a shortage of
> > > > > healthcare
> > > > > >> available. Do you want that? I think not.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >Profits would not be higher if there is more
> investment in the
> > > > > >healthcare
> > > > > of
> > > > > >for example dying people all over the world. Any
> single one of
> > > > > >them. Too bad?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Who said anything about profits? I said costs. These
> > > are entirely
> > > > > different things. If a proposed system results in either
> > > increased
> > > > > costs or decreased availability, then even more
> people will die.
> > > > > This is worse that the current scenario. No matter who
> > > pays for it,
> > > > > it's got to be affordable and available.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can not say costs here and profit on the other side of
> > > the street.
> > > > Nononono. Cost are profit, has to be, if they will not: nobody
> > > > will say 'Yes' to the business model of healthcare. You will not
> > > get money.
> > > >
> > > > Costs are money. Profit is money. Money doesnt vanish. Money
> > > > moves.
> > > >
> > > > Healthcare has to be free. Like all the other classic human
> > > > related rights like work, education and so on. When
> will you start
> > > paying for
> > > > freedom and peace? Because they 'costs' money. You pay:
> you have
> > > > peace, you do not pay: dead. Like in the healthcare industry.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the people in the Detroit area lost her
> automobile jobs to
> > > > people in other contries where simply the cost issue of
> healthcare
> > > > doesnt exist - they are dying immediately through bad water
> > > or choose
> > > > one other ...
> > > >
> > > > > Again, I challenge people to come up with proposals. So
> > > far all the
> > > > > various examples in the countries of the world, even
> those with
> > > > > "universal healthcare coverage" have serious flaws.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for my misunderstandable english - this was not
> what i was
> > > > trying to mention.
> > > >
> > > > But we have to fight for freedom of our fundamental rights
> > > as they are
> > > > healthcare, education, culture, art, food and work. All
> > > over this one
> > > > World. And in america. And in DE. Free like in 'free
> beer'. What
> > > > we get now is insurance, career, TV, knick-knack, MacDoof and
> > > > Tittytainment.
> > > >
> > > > bax
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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