Klarinet Archive - Posting 000564.txt from 2004/07

From: Jimmy Lee <jrlaudio@-----.net>
Subj: Re: AW: AW: [kl] Political Rant - do not open if you are offended
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:51:51 -0400

1. Bax is there a remote possibility that an idea separate from UN sanction is
possible?
This is a very serious question from me to you.

2. Is there any possibility that two well meaning people can have differing
ideas on the solution to a problem?

Jimmy

Holger Baxmann wrote:

> > Bax,
> > Where to start.
>
> Right here.
>
> > 1. The US constitution does not guarantee American citizens
> > a job, education, or health care. We are free to pursue
> > these wonderful things in any way that is legal. I am not
> > really impressed with the argument that everyone has to right
> > to anything except the freedom to be productive and earn what
> > ever in life they value most. 2. What the hell does this have
> > to with playing clarinet?
> >
>
> 1)
> BTW: These rights are part of the United Nations Convention of Human Rights.
> And a right is not a guaranty. It is a right that you are able to fight for
> - by law.
> Yes. The US. Uhu. You believe in the separation of powers. Ok. Welcome to
> the reality.
>
> Do you know, that if i am comming to the nothern area of your continent,
> southside of canada, not a single one, not the thinnest shadow of _any_
> human right nor law right is given to me as a non-member of your spanning
> all over the world 'US'? Not a single phone call.
>
> 'US' is not the same as 'us', it is you. The people on the other side. From
> every other point of view in the remainder of the world.
> We all are strangers most likely in a globalized world. We have a globalized
> world. QED: You are reading this words here. You do not read it in the
> United States of America.
>
> 2) I will do my very best to make music, because it is one way to be and
> feel 'us'.
>
> > Been back here for two days and I will be leaving now.
> >
> > All I have for my time and trouble is some folks promoting a
> > book of unknown literary value and some socialist ranting
> > about what is wrong with the greatest country on the face of
> > this wonderful planet. Y'all come now and tell your moma and
> > them I said howdy. Jimmy
> >
>
> If, then, marxist - this much time has to be spend.
>
> bax
>
> > Holger Baxmann wrote:
> >
> > > > >> If you have a workable system, propose it to your
> > > > congressman. The
> > > > >> rub is that so far no one has come up with a system that
> > > > will work.
> > > > >> The proposals to date are such that
> > > > >
> > > > >Fine. We all and I mean in this gloablized wold literally
> > > > 'all', have a
> > > > >non working system - so let's stay with this instead of
> > asking each
> > > > >other for a another.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I did not say that we should quit trying to come up with
> > ideas but
> > > > instead challenge people to be part of the process of
> > coming up with
> > > > the ideas. While everyone works on developing that new
> > system, it is
> > > > of course necessary to continue with the old.
> > > >
> > > > While the US system has its flaws, it is working
> > reasonably well.
> > > > Here in the Detroit area, we have Canadians frequently
> > coming across
> > > > to get care that they cannot get in a timely fashion in
> > Canada yet
> > > > they have a national healthcare system for all citizens. The
> > > > Canadian system has resulted in a shortage of doctors and
> > nurses.
> > > > Patients there must sometimes wait dangerously long times
> > for vital
> > > > surgeries.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The same issue is here for cardiological things or good
> > tooth doctors
> > > ... but people with enough money are able to come in right
> > now. IMHO
> > > money should have nothing, and i mean no thing, to do with
> > money. Ok,
> > > nurses and doctors has to been paid, material has to be bought, but
> > > these are not healthcare issue - they are not nescessarily human
> > > related. Like in the case of Teachers, of Artists (sic!) ...
> > >
> > > > >> costs would go even higher or there would be a shortage of
> > > > healthcare
> > > > >> available. Do you want that? I think not.
> > > > >>
> > > > >Profits would not be higher if there is more investment in the
> > > > >healthcare
> > > > of
> > > > >for example dying people all over the world. Any single one of
> > > > >them. Too bad?
> > > > >
> > > > Who said anything about profits? I said costs. These
> > are entirely
> > > > different things. If a proposed system results in either
> > increased
> > > > costs or decreased availability, then even more people will die.
> > > > This is worse that the current scenario. No matter who
> > pays for it,
> > > > it's got to be affordable and available.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can not say costs here and profit on the other side of
> > the street.
> > > Nononono. Cost are profit, has to be, if they will not: nobody will
> > > say 'Yes' to the business model of healthcare. You will not
> > get money.
> > >
> > > Costs are money. Profit is money. Money doesnt vanish. Money moves.
> > >
> > > Healthcare has to be free. Like all the other classic human related
> > > rights like work, education and so on. When will you start
> > paying for
> > > freedom and peace? Because they 'costs' money. You pay: you have
> > > peace, you do not pay: dead. Like in the healthcare industry.
> > >
> > > Many of the people in the Detroit area lost her automobile jobs to
> > > people in other contries where simply the cost issue of healthcare
> > > doesnt exist - they are dying immediately through bad water
> > or choose
> > > one other ...
> > >
> > > > Again, I challenge people to come up with proposals. So
> > far all the
> > > > various examples in the countries of the world, even those with
> > > > "universal healthcare coverage" have serious flaws.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for my misunderstandable english - this was not what i was
> > > trying to mention.
> > >
> > > But we have to fight for freedom of our fundamental rights
> > as they are
> > > healthcare, education, culture, art, food and work. All
> > over this one
> > > World. And in america. And in DE. Free like in 'free beer'. What we
> > > get now is insurance, career, TV, knick-knack, MacDoof and
> > > Tittytainment.
> > >
> > > bax
> > >
> > >
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