Klarinet Archive - Posting 000553.txt from 2004/07

From: "Holger Baxmann" <holger@-----.com>
Subj: AW: AW: [kl] Political Rant - do not open if you are offended
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:43:12 -0400

> Bax,
> Where to start.

Right here.

> 1. The US constitution does not guarantee American citizens=20
> a job, education, or health care. We are free to pursue=20
> these wonderful things in any way that is legal. I am not=20
> really impressed with the argument that everyone has to right=20
> to anything except the freedom to be productive and earn what=20
> ever in life they value most. 2. What the hell does this have=20
> to with playing clarinet?
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1)=20
BTW: These rights are part of the United Nations Convention of Human =
Rights.
And a right is not a guaranty. It is a right that you are able to fight =
for
- by law.
Yes. The US. Uhu. You believe in the separation of powers. Ok. Welcome =
to
the reality.

Do you know, that if i am comming to the nothern area of your continent,
southside of canada, not a single one, not the thinnest shadow of _any_
human right nor law right is given to me as a non-member of your =
spanning
all over the world 'US'? Not a single phone call.=20

'US' is not the same as 'us', it is you. The people on the other side. =
From
every other point of view in the remainder of the world.=20
We all are strangers most likely in a globalized world. We have a =
globalized
world. QED: You are reading this words here. You do not read it in the
United States of America.

2) I will do my very best to make music, because it is one way to be and
feel 'us'.

> Been back here for two days and I will be leaving now.
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> All I have for my time and trouble is some folks promoting a=20
> book of unknown literary value and some socialist ranting=20
> about what is wrong with the greatest country on the face of=20
> this wonderful planet. Y'all come now and tell your moma and=20
> them I said howdy. Jimmy
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If, then, marxist - this much time has to be spend.

bax

> Holger Baxmann wrote:
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> > > >> If you have a workable system, propose it to your
> > > congressman. The
> > > >> rub is that so far no one has come up with a system that
> > > will work.
> > > >> The proposals to date are such that
> > > >
> > > >Fine. We all and I mean in this gloablized wold literally
> > > 'all', have a
> > > >non working system - so let's stay with this instead of=20
> asking each=20
> > > >other for a another.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I did not say that we should quit trying to come up with=20
> ideas but=20
> > > instead challenge people to be part of the process of=20
> coming up with=20
> > > the ideas. While everyone works on developing that new=20
> system, it is=20
> > > of course necessary to continue with the old.
> > >
> > > While the US system has its flaws, it is working=20
> reasonably well. =20
> > > Here in the Detroit area, we have Canadians frequently=20
> coming across=20
> > > to get care that they cannot get in a timely fashion in=20
> Canada yet=20
> > > they have a national healthcare system for all citizens. The=20
> > > Canadian system has resulted in a shortage of doctors and=20
> nurses. =20
> > > Patients there must sometimes wait dangerously long times=20
> for vital=20
> > > surgeries.
> > >
> >
> > The same issue is here for cardiological things or good=20
> tooth doctors=20
> > ... but people with enough money are able to come in right=20
> now. IMHO=20
> > money should have nothing, and i mean no thing, to do with=20
> money. Ok,=20
> > nurses and doctors has to been paid, material has to be bought, but=20
> > these are not healthcare issue - they are not nescessarily human=20
> > related. Like in the case of Teachers, of Artists (sic!) ...
> >
> > > >> costs would go even higher or there would be a shortage of
> > > healthcare
> > > >> available. Do you want that? I think not.
> > > >>
> > > >Profits would not be higher if there is more investment in the=20
> > > >healthcare
> > > of
> > > >for example dying people all over the world. Any single one of=20
> > > >them. Too bad?
> > > >
> > > Who said anything about profits? I said costs. These=20
> are entirely=20
> > > different things. If a proposed system results in either=20
> increased=20
> > > costs or decreased availability, then even more people will die. =20
> > > This is worse that the current scenario. No matter who=20
> pays for it,=20
> > > it's got to be affordable and available.
> > >
> >
> > You can not say costs here and profit on the other side of=20
> the street.=20
> > Nononono. Cost are profit, has to be, if they will not: nobody will=20
> > say 'Yes' to the business model of healthcare. You will not=20
> get money.
> >
> > Costs are money. Profit is money. Money doesnt vanish. Money moves.
> >
> > Healthcare has to be free. Like all the other classic human related=20
> > rights like work, education and so on. When will you start=20
> paying for=20
> > freedom and peace? Because they 'costs' money. You pay: you have=20
> > peace, you do not pay: dead. Like in the healthcare industry.
> >
> > Many of the people in the Detroit area lost her automobile jobs to=20
> > people in other contries where simply the cost issue of healthcare=20
> > doesnt exist - they are dying immediately through bad water=20
> or choose=20
> > one other ...
> >
> > > Again, I challenge people to come up with proposals. So=20
> far all the=20
> > > various examples in the countries of the world, even those with=20
> > > "universal healthcare coverage" have serious flaws.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry for my misunderstandable english - this was not what i was=20
> > trying to mention.
> >
> > But we have to fight for freedom of our fundamental rights=20
> as they are=20
> > healthcare, education, culture, art, food and work. All=20
> over this one=20
> > World. And in america. And in DE. Free like in 'free beer'. What we=20
> > get now is insurance, career, TV, knick-knack, MacDoof and=20
> > Tittytainment.
> >
> > bax
> >
> >=20
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