Klarinet Archive - Posting 000541.txt from 2004/07

From: Jimmy Lee <jrlaudio@-----.net>
Subj: Re: AW: [kl] Political Rant - do not open if you are offended
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:58:25 -0400

Bax,
Where to start.
1. The US constitution does not guarantee American citizens a job, education,
or health care. We are free to pursue these wonderful things in any way that is
legal. I am not really impressed with the argument that everyone has to right
to anything except the freedom to be productive and earn what ever in life they
value most.
2. What the hell does this have to with playing clarinet?

Been back here for two days and I will be leaving now.

All I have for my time and trouble is some folks promoting a book of unknown
literary value and some socialist ranting about what is wrong with the greatest
country on the face of this wonderful planet.
Y'all come now and tell your moma and them I said howdy.
Jimmy

Holger Baxmann wrote:

> > >> If you have a workable system, propose it to your
> > congressman. The
> > >> rub is that so far no one has come up with a system that
> > will work.
> > >> The proposals to date are such that
> > >
> > >Fine. We all and I mean in this gloablized wold literally
> > 'all', have a
> > >non working system - so let's stay with this instead of asking each
> > >other for a another.
> > >
> >
> > I did not say that we should quit trying to come up with
> > ideas but instead challenge people to be part of the process
> > of coming up with the ideas. While everyone works on
> > developing that new system, it is of course necessary to
> > continue with the old.
> >
> > While the US system has its flaws, it is working reasonably
> > well. Here in the Detroit area, we have Canadians frequently
> > coming across to get care that they cannot get in a timely
> > fashion in Canada yet they have a national healthcare system
> > for all citizens. The Canadian system has resulted in a
> > shortage of doctors and nurses. Patients there must
> > sometimes wait dangerously long times for vital surgeries.
> >
>
> The same issue is here for cardiological things or good tooth doctors ...
> but people with enough money are able to come in right now. IMHO money
> should have nothing, and i mean no thing, to do with money. Ok, nurses and
> doctors has to been paid, material has to be bought, but these are not
> healthcare issue - they are not nescessarily human related. Like in the case
> of Teachers, of Artists (sic!) ...
>
> > >> costs would go even higher or there would be a shortage of
> > healthcare
> > >> available. Do you want that? I think not.
> > >>
> > >Profits would not be higher if there is more investment in the
> > >healthcare
> > of
> > >for example dying people all over the world. Any single one of them.
> > >Too bad?
> > >
> > Who said anything about profits? I said costs. These are
> > entirely different things. If a proposed system results in
> > either increased costs or decreased availability, then even
> > more people will die. This is worse that the current
> > scenario. No matter who pays for it, it's got to be
> > affordable and available.
> >
>
> You can not say costs here and profit on the other side of the street.
> Nononono. Cost are profit, has to be, if they will not: nobody will say
> 'Yes' to the business model of healthcare. You will not get money.
>
> Costs are money. Profit is money. Money doesnt vanish. Money moves.
>
> Healthcare has to be free. Like all the other classic human related rights
> like work, education and so on. When will you start paying for freedom and
> peace? Because they 'costs' money. You pay: you have peace, you do not pay:
> dead. Like in the healthcare industry.
>
> Many of the people in the Detroit area lost her automobile jobs to people in
> other contries where simply the cost issue of healthcare doesnt exist - they
> are dying immediately through bad water or choose one other ...
>
> > Again, I challenge people to come up with proposals. So far
> > all the various examples in the countries of the world, even
> > those with "universal healthcare coverage" have serious flaws.
> >
>
> Sorry for my misunderstandable english - this was not what i was trying to
> mention.
>
> But we have to fight for freedom of our fundamental rights as they are
> healthcare, education, culture, art, food and work. All over this one World.
> And in america. And in DE. Free like in 'free beer'.
> What we get now is insurance, career, TV, knick-knack, MacDoof and
> Tittytainment.
>
> bax
>
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