Klarinet Archive - Posting 000535.txt from 2004/07

From: "Holger Baxmann" <holger@-----.com>
Subj: AW: [kl] Political Rant - do not open if you are offended
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:21:41 -0400

> >> If you have a workable system, propose it to your=20
> congressman. The=20
> >> rub is that so far no one has come up with a system that=20
> will work. =20
> >> The proposals to date are such that
> >
> >Fine. We all and I mean in this gloablized wold literally=20
> 'all', have a=20
> >non working system - so let's stay with this instead of asking each=20
> >other for a another.
> >
>=20
> I did not say that we should quit trying to come up with=20
> ideas but instead challenge people to be part of the process=20
> of coming up with the ideas. While everyone works on=20
> developing that new system, it is of course necessary to=20
> continue with the old.
>=20
> While the US system has its flaws, it is working reasonably=20
> well. Here in the Detroit area, we have Canadians frequently=20
> coming across to get care that they cannot get in a timely=20
> fashion in Canada yet they have a national healthcare system=20
> for all citizens. The Canadian system has resulted in a=20
> shortage of doctors and nurses. Patients there must=20
> sometimes wait dangerously long times for vital surgeries.
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The same issue is here for cardiological things or good tooth doctors =
...
but people with enough money are able to come in right now. IMHO money
should have nothing, and i mean no thing, to do with money. Ok, nurses =
and
doctors has to been paid, material has to be bought, but these are not
healthcare issue - they are not nescessarily human related. Like in the =
case
of Teachers, of Artists (sic!) ...

> >> costs would go even higher or there would be a shortage of=20
> healthcare=20
> >> available. Do you want that? I think not.
> >>
> >Profits would not be higher if there is more investment in the=20
> >healthcare
> of
> >for example dying people all over the world. Any single one of them.=20
> >Too bad?
> >
> Who said anything about profits? I said costs. These are=20
> entirely different things. If a proposed system results in=20
> either increased costs or decreased availability, then even=20
> more people will die. This is worse that the current=20
> scenario. No matter who pays for it, it's got to be=20
> affordable and available.
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You can not say costs here and profit on the other side of the street.
Nononono. Cost are profit, has to be, if they will not: nobody will say
'Yes' to the business model of healthcare. You will not get money.

Costs are money. Profit is money. Money doesnt vanish. Money moves.

Healthcare has to be free. Like all the other classic human related =
rights
like work, education and so on. When will you start paying for freedom =
and
peace? Because they 'costs' money. You pay: you have peace, you do not =
pay:
dead. Like in the healthcare industry.

Many of the people in the Detroit area lost her automobile jobs to =
people in
other contries where simply the cost issue of healthcare doesnt exist - =
they
are dying immediately through bad water or choose one other ...

> Again, I challenge people to come up with proposals. So far=20
> all the various examples in the countries of the world, even=20
> those with "universal healthcare coverage" have serious flaws.
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Sorry for my misunderstandable english - this was not what i was trying =
to
mention.

But we have to fight for freedom of our fundamental rights as they are
healthcare, education, culture, art, food and work. All over this one =
World.
And in america. And in DE. Free like in 'free beer'.
What we get now is insurance, career, TV, knick-knack, MacDoof and
Tittytainment.

bax

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