Klarinet Archive - Posting 000009.txt from 2004/07

From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
Subj: [kl] Kim Chamberlain! Do you really wish to unsubscribe?
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:41:46 -0400

Bad news Kim. I think you may be locked into klarinet for life!

Seriously, someone may be able to inform you quite soon. I wish you
wouldn't sound so vehement about some political email.
Speaking for myself, I didn't wish to get involved, and I urged readers to
understand that getting into political viewpoints is a downward spiral. But
when I continued seeing American government & Bush-bashing and undue praise
for Michael Moore's movie, I couldn't resist putting my 2 cents in.
However, I can't believe you haven't gained any information from this site.
I say stick with it if you're interested in clarinet and music as you say
you are and which I believe you are or you wouldn't have signed up in the
first place.

Again, unsubscribe info will be forthcoming, I'm sure. Maybe you can
consider the political stuff (maybe 10% as of late as just bad squeaks.
Once in a while, especially during a war, people let their feelings out,
just like in music!

----- Original Message -----
From: <chamberlaind@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [kl] The Bush Junta and Michael Moore

>
> > Please forgive me for responding to this e-mail on this reply, but I am
so incredibly frustrated. I have tried at least ten times to get off this
klarinet e-mail list. It is a waste of my time and trashed my e-mail. I get
40 or 50 junk e-mails. I am NOT interested in political dialog on a chat
e-mail list supposedly devoted to music and the clarinet, specifically!
PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF THE LIST. I have tried at least 10 times and get NO
Response!!!!
>
> Kim Chamberlain
>
> chamberlaind@-----.net
> > From: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.net>
> > Date: 2004/06/30 Wed PM 06:40:16 EDT
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: RE: [kl] The Bush Junta and Michael Moore
> >
> > At 09:06 AM 6/30/2004 -0400, Erik Tkal wrote:
> >
> > >So you watch the movie and take it with a grain of salt. Or a pound.
> >
> > An ocean's worth would be required!
> >
> >
> > >No different from what I do with press releases from our own government
> > >lately. They seem to be at least as remiss as Mr. Moore in their fact
> > >checking. IMHO our administration has performed several impeachable
> > >offenses, not the least of which is going to war claiming a clear and
> > >present danger from another country, despite the fact that no such
> > >imminent threat has ever been proven.
> >
> > The intelligence data we had at the time showed the danger.
Intelligence
> > data (and believe me, I know -- I used to work in that field) is
best-guess
> > work, like archeology. You fit the puzzle pieces you have together into
> > the most plausible picture you can. It is not always right, and at BEST
is
> > incomplete. Frankly, I still think we will find the WMD's, although
they
> > may very well no longer be IN Iraq. You can argue all day about how
> > "imminent" the threat was, and never get anywhere. That is ALL opinion.
> >
> >
> > >And now we back out and hand over control to what I suspect will be a
> > >puppet government on a dictated schedule with none of the original
stated
> > >criteria met, simply to say we did what we said we would do.
> >
> > We do everything we SAID we would do, despite people saying it could not
be
> > done, but we are still wrong? I don't get the logic. At the very LEAST
it
> > should show we tell the truth! We never said we would LEAVE on that
> > date. Also note that similar violence occurred in Germany and Japan
after
> > WWII, and there was an outcry that we were "losing the peace" THEN, too.
> >
> >
> > >If we put half the money and effort that we put into this "war" instead
> > >into fixing our roads and our schools and our health care system, and
kept
> > >our collective nose out of other countries' business (qv Bush's recent
> > >comments to the EU, Isreal/Palestine, etc, etc, etc), then such
terrorists
> > >would have no reason or desire to attack us. There is no excuse for our
> > >behaviour other than greed and arrogance and hubris.
> >
> > There is no excuse for terrorist attacks, PERIOD. NO argument of the
point
> > is possible. No matter how much they dislike our policies, etc.
Besides,
> > if we are doing this for greed, what is the payoff? We have (twice now)
> > NOT taken over the oil fields.
> >
> >
> > >And all Michael Moore is trying to do is to get people to think. We do
far
> > >too little of that. More than half the population simply believes what
the
> > >papers say, what the TV says, what the radio says, assuming there is no
> > >spin on it. Ha! So you watch the movie and make your own opinions. Even
if
> > >there are a few mistakes and inconsistencies, what about the rest, is
it
> > >all wrong?
> >
> > If SOME of it is lies (not mistakes, LIES), you can't tell about the
> > rest. You have to assume the worst.
> >
> >
> > >Do so many people have to shout out to get others to not go to see it
> > >because they are nervous that there is some truth in it? Why are
> > >right-wing groups, and now Disney even, trying so hard and funneling
money
> > >into efforts to stop it from being shown?
> >
> > Disney was simply (and rightly) ashamed to send it out under their
> > name. They had no problem with selling it to someone ELSE to
distribute,
> > as they did. The right wing groups are probably wasting their effort.
No
> > one will go to the movie except those who are already desperate to
believe
> > what is in it. You watch. Business will fall of DRAMATICALLY in a
hurry
> > once all the converted have already seen it. It IS a free-speech issue,
> > though. Moore has every right to make an ass of himself on the screen,
and
> > people are entitled to pay money to watch the spectacle. Or avoid it if
> > they choose. But he should be honest enough to admit that what he is
> > hawking is FICTION or, at best, wishful thinking.
> >
> >
> > Bill Hausmann
> >
> > If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
> >
> >
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