Klarinet Archive - Posting 000003.txt from 2004/07

From: "Abraham Gamboa" <abraham.gamboa@-----.br>
Subj: Re: [kl] The Bush Junta and Michael Moore
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:34:56 -0400

I like your style!!! Abraham
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From: "Bill Hausmann" <bhausmann1@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [kl] The Bush Junta and Michael Moore

> At 09:06 AM 6/30/2004 -0400, Erik Tkal wrote:
>
> >So you watch the movie and take it with a grain of salt. Or a pound.
>
> An ocean's worth would be required!
>
>
> >No different from what I do with press releases from our own government
> >lately. They seem to be at least as remiss as Mr. Moore in their fact
> >checking. IMHO our administration has performed several impeachable
> >offenses, not the least of which is going to war claiming a clear and
> >present danger from another country, despite the fact that no such
> >imminent threat has ever been proven.
>
> The intelligence data we had at the time showed the danger. Intelligence
> data (and believe me, I know -- I used to work in that field) is
best-guess
> work, like archeology. You fit the puzzle pieces you have together into
> the most plausible picture you can. It is not always right, and at BEST
is
> incomplete. Frankly, I still think we will find the WMD's, although they
> may very well no longer be IN Iraq. You can argue all day about how
> "imminent" the threat was, and never get anywhere. That is ALL opinion.
>
>
> >And now we back out and hand over control to what I suspect will be a
> >puppet government on a dictated schedule with none of the original stated
> >criteria met, simply to say we did what we said we would do.
>
> We do everything we SAID we would do, despite people saying it could not
be
> done, but we are still wrong? I don't get the logic. At the very LEAST
it
> should show we tell the truth! We never said we would LEAVE on that
> date. Also note that similar violence occurred in Germany and Japan after
> WWII, and there was an outcry that we were "losing the peace" THEN, too.
>
>
> >If we put half the money and effort that we put into this "war" instead
> >into fixing our roads and our schools and our health care system, and
kept
> >our collective nose out of other countries' business (qv Bush's recent
> >comments to the EU, Isreal/Palestine, etc, etc, etc), then such
terrorists
> >would have no reason or desire to attack us. There is no excuse for our
> >behaviour other than greed and arrogance and hubris.
>
> There is no excuse for terrorist attacks, PERIOD. NO argument of the
point
> is possible. No matter how much they dislike our policies, etc. Besides,
> if we are doing this for greed, what is the payoff? We have (twice now)
> NOT taken over the oil fields.
>
>
> >And all Michael Moore is trying to do is to get people to think. We do
far
> >too little of that. More than half the population simply believes what
the
> >papers say, what the TV says, what the radio says, assuming there is no
> >spin on it. Ha! So you watch the movie and make your own opinions. Even
if
> >there are a few mistakes and inconsistencies, what about the rest, is it
> >all wrong?
>
> If SOME of it is lies (not mistakes, LIES), you can't tell about the
> rest. You have to assume the worst.
>
>
> >Do so many people have to shout out to get others to not go to see it
> >because they are nervous that there is some truth in it? Why are
> >right-wing groups, and now Disney even, trying so hard and funneling
money
> >into efforts to stop it from being shown?
>
> Disney was simply (and rightly) ashamed to send it out under their
> name. They had no problem with selling it to someone ELSE to distribute,
> as they did. The right wing groups are probably wasting their effort. No
> one will go to the movie except those who are already desperate to believe
> what is in it. You watch. Business will fall of DRAMATICALLY in a hurry
> once all the converted have already seen it. It IS a free-speech issue,
> though. Moore has every right to make an ass of himself on the screen,
and
> people are entitled to pay money to watch the spectacle. Or avoid it if
> they choose. But he should be honest enough to admit that what he is
> hawking is FICTION or, at best, wishful thinking.
>
>
> Bill Hausmann
>
> If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
>
>
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