Klarinet Archive - Posting 000533.txt from 2004/06
From: "Warren Rosenberg" <wrosenberg47@-----.net>
Subj: [kl] Hello Infidel!
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:29:29 -0400
Let's get to the heart of the matter, Jeremy, your tortured prose
notwithstanding. By the way, the space that the liberal media gives to
"conservative" views as you claim can be found in what section of the
newspaper, please tell me. Certainly it's not in the influential and
opinion-making headlines, by-lines, etc. So do inform me.
Now to the heart of the matter.
Bush is stupid, wrong and a liar. Condy Rice is a fraud and an Aunt Tom
along with her Uncle Tom no-nothing friend, Colin Powell. Examples of
Republicans just co-opting 2 thoughtless blacks who should know better than
to be taken in by the evil empire! Our military is just a bunch of fools
who know nothing and who just want to kill. On the other hand, Michael
Moore is a genius, although surprisingly, I did walk out of his previous
movie, "Bowling at Columbine". I really did like his earlier movie about
General Motors and Flint, Michigan so I was very disappointed. Some things
get better with age. Some don't. If he thinks as well as he looks, well...
He's such an expert on geopolitics, I wish he could learn how to take care
of himself first. He's a walking heart attack waiting to happen. Maybe
that's a good thing! (Just kidding!). Anyway, this administration in 3.5
years has done four things (minor things in democratic eyes, I'm sure.) I
can think of that Clinton who I voted for TWICE didn't do.
1. We have eliminated the Taliban from large portions of Afghanistan. We
could have waited for the United Nations, but they were busy taking taking
bribes in the oil for food program or whatever they do.
2. We've eliminated that kindly old gentleman who was trying to do his best
for world peace, Mr. Sadaam Hussein and his two sons.
3. We've prevented any 9-11 attacks since Bush was elected or shall I say,
"stole the election."
If only these 3 things were accomplished I'd say it was more than the
democrats (who I backed) did in the previous 8 years! But obviously these
minor tasks will not get any acknowledgement from partisans (The Bush
Haters - YOU!) on the other side. They (democrats) could do better! The
proof's in the pudding, bub. And you had eight years to generate an effort
to fight terrorism. What are the Democrat accomplishments to fight Islamic
fundamentalism? Well Punk! What are they?
4. Libya has changed its tune. Did sending American troops have any
influence? Of course not. This was all planned a long time ago. George
just got lucky in his timing, right?
As of this date, June 30, 2004, only a few days before the July 4th holiday
weekend (What a great weekend for a huge terrorist attack!), it seems that
people in this country could pull together, if only to defeat an avowed
enemy. God only knows what might happen in the next week. But it's more
important to worry about Bush's "lies". Ben Ladin is laughing his a-s off!
I don't think the people falling out of the World Trade Center were overly
concerned about which party was in office, dost thou? I wish I could
question them on how they feel about what Bush is doing. "Tell me, sir, now
that you've fallen 65 stories and you're dead, what do you think we should
do regarding islamic terrorism? Shall we call the UN?"
I don't mind if Kerry wins as long as he does as much or more of what Bush
is accomplishing. Take charge. Be proactive. "Power abhors a vacuum" is
not a new concept! Ironically, he may be able to garner more support for
military action because the so-called, alleged "media" supports him. This
would be like Nixon going to China. Who would have believed it?
But so far, I only see the democrats saying they would do nothing until
others, France, etc. jump on board. That's an excuse for doing nothing.
Lovely. How many more 9-ll's do you want to see before you see a problem?
Islamic fundamentalists want to kill you. Today! They don't care you hate
Bush, don't you get it? You are an infidel. You love freedom, chat lines,
the internet, 25 kinds of toothpaste, etc.
Someone compared Christian and Moslem fundamentalism the other day as if
they were equal!
How dare you be that stupid? Jerry Falwell isn't sawing heads off people
(while they're alive yet). And you're the same people who would complain if
your dentist didn't give you enough novacaine or if your steak wasn't rare
enough! You're the best friends Bin Laden and his cohorts have. Sadaam
Hussein would laugh his head off if he could hear your little voices!
You are not thinking of any danger down the road be it in one day, one year
or ten years. The main thing in your life is to excoriate George Bush as if
we were living in 1978 or 1987! "Bush lied! Bush lied! Bush lied!" You
sound like schoolchildren! So what if he did lie! If he had done nothing
and there as more terror, you'd be the FIRST in line blameing him for not
doing MORE! I like fairness. We're all on the same Freedom Ship. I say,
"George, you've tried admirably. God Bless You!" (P.S. Don't mind me, I'm
just paranoid. Everything's fine. And the warm sand feels wonderful around
my head!)
Have a great fourth, infidels! And regards to the ostriches everywhere.
Just don't complain when the s--t hits the fan! Take your death or injury
with dignity and remember who you supported and who you didn't support in
those final seconds...
My original thought was not to let politics come into this. But thanks to
your desire to keep this an unmoderated forum for diverse opinion, well,
here I am expressing myself. I feel something stir inside me.....the call
of Mecca and Medina? Allehiu Akbar!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy A Schiffer" <schiffer@-----.edu>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: [kl] The Bush Junta
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Bill Hausmann wrote:
>
> > At 05:11 PM 6/29/2004 -0400, Jeremy Schiffer wrote:
> >> And keep in mind that he hired an entire team of fact-checkers (from
the
> >> New Yorker magazine and others) to make sure that _this_ movie got
> >> everything right. Thus far, despite all the hype and hysteria, no one
is
> >> pointing to actual scenes from _this_ film and saying 'this is wrong.'
> >> Talk all you want about his style (arrogant, grating, patronizing...),
but
> >> he apparently dotted his i's and crossed his t's for Fahrenheit 9/11.
The
> >> movie's been out seven days in New York, and that's more than enough
time
> >> for critics to assail any errors. Once you get past the partisan furor,
> >> though, there's been almost nothing to call the facts presented in the
> >> movie to question.
> >>
> > You haven't been paying attention. This from the normally rabidly
liberal
> > Slate magazine:
> >
> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
>
>
> Oh my god, this is too funny. You're pointing out the Hitchens ad-hominem
> attack article (which I read days ago, by the way) as something coming
> from the 'liberal media?' Do you not know who Christopher Hitchens is? The
> guy's a former Trotskyite who got fed up with the left and went the way of
> the Neocon. He was one of the most rabid voices cheering on the buildup
> and the invasion. That's like pointing to William Safire's Op/Ed in the
> Times and saying 'look, this is the what the liberals think about this
> subject becuase it's coming from the NYTimes.'
>
> It seems that you're just not familiar with the way the 'liberal' media
> works. Unlike publications run by conservative organizations (Washington
> Times, NY Post, FOX News), which don't publish opposing voices, the more
> 'liberal' media will actually give space to conservatives to be heard.
> Novel concept, huh?
>
> The fact is, if you actually read the article you linked (I know, it's
> hard to get through Hitchens' diatribes sometimes), it didn't point out
> any facts that were incorrect, it focused mostly on bashing Moore for
> things that *weren't* in the movie (his lack of a harsh treatment of
> Saddam) as well as the things I mentioned originally about his maddeningly
> patronizing style. Additionally, if you follow the link (and read it) for
> the article where Richard Clarke supposedly took full responsibility for
> the post-9/11 Saudi flights (the one area where the facts are in dispute),
> you discover quickly that Clarke didn't say what Hitchens claims he said.
> Even the headline on that story is rather misleading, given what it says
> several paragraphs in.
>
> So, if you're going to try to say I'm wrong, don't point to a misleading,
> poorly written article that nonetheless proves my point. Not that I mind,
> but it doesn't make you look too sharp.
>
> -jeremy
>
>
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