Klarinet Archive - Posting 001013.txt from 2004/03
From: Andy Raibeck <klari_1@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Use of the word LOVE
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:02:23 -0500
I'm not feeling the love. ;-)
Being a respected musician doesn't justify poor behavior, of which I include
using profanity in a public forum. Since this *is* an unmoderated list, anyone
can post whatever they want. That doesn't mean that some can't find it
objectionable. It's too bad that "restraint" is a word with which some
apparently have -- at best -- a nodding acquaintance.
And speaking of why the world is in the state that it is in today: frankly, I
am tired of hearing George Bush blamed for the world's ills. I hear lots of
hate and bile spewed in his direction, yet none at all for the real
perpetrators of the crimes. It isn't as if George Bush held a gun to the heads
of those who flew planes into buildings or bombed the trains in Madrid. I hear
nothing from the Bush critics about the thousands, probably hundreds of
thousands of people that were raped, tortured, and/or murdered under Saddam
Hussein's regime. Nary a bad word against Bin Laden. Maybe *that* is really the
sickness in the world today, that people would rather bury their heads in the
sand than stand up to evil.
And by the way, removing Saddam didn't make the world a less safe place... you
probably don't remember, but there was an even more horrific event way back in
2001 that made the point.
And that is all I will say on the subject since it is highly unlikely that
further discussion will be fruitful.
Regards,
Andy
--- Matthew Lloyd <Matthew@-----.uk> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I'll assume that you are serious. Bible bashers are not known for
> humour. I assume you are a member of one of the low churches?
>
> You are suggesting that a list for those who play the CLARINET should
> ostracise one of the leading clarinet players of the day, a player who
> has made recordings that any of the rest of us would dream of making and
> at the same time engaging in discussions that I (for one) have found of
> great interest - just for starters think of the recent discussion on
> K622.
>
> Add to that the intelligent posts he makes on a wide range of issues
> makes him one of the contributors to this list that I value most. Tony
> is clearly an erudite man who we can all learn from (and who can
> probably defend himself better than I can.....)
>
> You say in a subsequent post "Hence my enjoyment of this list. I am
> greatly helped by the exposure to knowledgeable opinions." How much more
> knowledgeable do you want?
>
> Of all the evils in the world today fundamentalist Christianity is
> possibly the most dangerous. (It is certainly in the top three with
> fundamental Muslims and climate change). If Bush, Blair and Aznar had
> not prosecuted an illegal war then (in all likelihood) two hundred
> people would be alive in Madrid today. Certainly the world is a less
> safe place since they have illegally removed a man who (whilst certainly
> evil) offered no threat to any on the invading armies and who was
> opposed to Bin Laden. Citing "scripture" in this context seems to
> suggest (or at least does to me) that you would be one of those with a
> religious outlook that would allay yourself to Bush's view of
> Christianity.
>
> And you complain of the use of the word FUCK.......
>
> And I wonder why the world is in the state that it is.......
>
> Matthew Lloyd
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Drennan [mailto:psa119@-----.net]
> Sent: 17 March 2004 15:52
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] not just the music department
>
> I would urge the list manager to remove Tony Pay from the list for the
> use
> of profanity in his posts. I can handle off topic posts, conservatives,
> Republicans, and resonite clarinets, but I am deeply disturbing at
> reading a
> post and having to endure cursing. TV is bad enough with what they
> force
> you to watch during commercials, but this list is no place for foulness.
>
> "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, their feet are swift to
> shed
> blood, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of peace
> they
> have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes." Romans
> 3:14-18
>
> If Tony's list of adjectives to describe the clarient is so short that
> he
> must curse it, perhaps he should consider playing something else, such
> as
> the radio.
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