Klarinet Archive - Posting 001003.txt from 2004/03

From: "Gary Drennan" <psa119@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Use of the word FUCK
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:38:57 -0500

It's starting to sound like some children who have just discovered their
first curse word rahter than some adults who should know better.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Jablonski" <ajablons@-----.org>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [kl] Use of the word FUCK

> I don't care about profanity, but could we keep it out of the subject line
> at least. I review these mails at work, and it can make things awkward.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Lloyd [mailto:Matthew@-----.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:37 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Use of the word FUCK
>
> Gary,
>
> I'll assume that you are serious. Bible bashers are not known for
> humour. I assume you are a member of one of the low churches?
>
> You are suggesting that a list for those who play the CLARINET should
> ostracise one of the leading clarinet players of the day, a player who
> has made recordings that any of the rest of us would dream of making and
> at the same time engaging in discussions that I (for one) have found of
> great interest - just for starters think of the recent discussion on
> K622.
>
> Add to that the intelligent posts he makes on a wide range of issues
> makes him one of the contributors to this list that I value most. Tony
> is clearly an erudite man who we can all learn from (and who can
> probably defend himself better than I can.....)
>
> You say in a subsequent post "Hence my enjoyment of this list. I am
> greatly helped by the exposure to knowledgeable opinions." How much more
> knowledgeable do you want?
>
> Of all the evils in the world today fundamentalist Christianity is
> possibly the most dangerous. (It is certainly in the top three with
> fundamental Muslims and climate change). If Bush, Blair and Aznar had
> not prosecuted an illegal war then (in all likelihood) two hundred
> people would be alive in Madrid today. Certainly the world is a less
> safe place since they have illegally removed a man who (whilst certainly
> evil) offered no threat to any on the invading armies and who was
> opposed to Bin Laden. Citing "scripture" in this context seems to
> suggest (or at least does to me) that you would be one of those with a
> religious outlook that would allay yourself to Bush's view of
> Christianity.
>
> And you complain of the use of the word FUCK.......
>
> And I wonder why the world is in the state that it is.......
>
> Matthew Lloyd
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Drennan [mailto:psa119@-----.net]
> Sent: 17 March 2004 15:52
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] not just the music department
>
> I would urge the list manager to remove Tony Pay from the list for the
> use
> of profanity in his posts. I can handle off topic posts, conservatives,
> Republicans, and resonite clarinets, but I am deeply disturbing at
> reading a
> post and having to endure cursing. TV is bad enough with what they
> force
> you to watch during commercials, but this list is no place for foulness.
>
> "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, their feet are swift to
> shed
> blood, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of peace
> they
> have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes." Romans
> 3:14-18
>
> If Tony's list of adjectives to describe the clarient is so short that
> he
> must curse it, perhaps he should consider playing something else, such
> as
> the radio.
>
> Gary Drennan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Pay" <tony.p@-----.org>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] not just the music department
>
>
> > In message <26559-40576586-6391@-----.net>
> > ormondtoby@-----.net (Ormondtoby Montoya) wrote:
> >
> > > I was wrong to include my comment about learning handicaps when I
> posted
> > > about schools who have dropped music.
> > >
> > > The 'proper' distribution of resources between disabled and
> non-disabled
> > > is not on-topic here, and I was wrong to bring it up.
> > >
> > > We do not want another "amendment' blow-up on this list.
> >
> > Well, the problem I had was that I didn't understand what you wrote.
> >
> > You said,
> >
> > > Although this doesn't relate to music, test scores of special
> education
> > > students (learning disabled) are penalized for using calculators and
> > > dictionaries during an exam. So one of our school districts is
> considering
> > > taking calculators and dictionaries away from special education
> students
> in
> > > order to improve the _district's_ overall test scores -- even though
> the
> > > special education students will do worse in their tests. Poorer
> > > performance, better scores. Talk about double-speak.
> >
> > Can you explain a bit more clearly? Did you mean:
> >
> > > ...one of our school districts is considering taking calculators and
> > > dictionaries away from ALL students in order to improve the
> _district's_
> > > overall test scores -- even though the special education students
> will
> do
> > > [much] worse in their tests.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Of course, I know that some people here will DIE of HEART ATTACKS if
> you
> talk
> > about something important -- like understanding an argument -- that
> isn't
> > about the fucking CLARINET.
> >
> > Let them.
> >
> > Tony
> > --
> > _________ Tony Pay
> > |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd tony.p@-----.org
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> >
> > ... If he learns from his mistakes, pretty soon he'll know everything!
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