Klarinet Archive - Posting 000970.txt from 2004/03

From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
Subj: [kl] Reply to Mr. Drennen
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:03:51 -0500

Bible bashers are not known for humour. I assume you are a member of one
of the low churches?

You are suggesting that a list for those who play the CLARINET should
ostracise one of the leading clarinet players of the day, a player who
has made recordings that any of the rest of us would dream of making and
at the same time engaging in discussions that I (for one) have found of
great interest - just for starters think of the recent discussion on
K622.

Add to that the intelligent posts he makes on a wide range of issues
makes him one of the contributors to this list that I value most. Tony
is clearly an erudite man who we can all learn from (and who can
probably defend himself better than I can.....)

You say in a subsequent post "Hence my enjoyment of this list. I am
greatly helped by the exposure to knowledgeable opinions." How much more
knowledgeable do you want?

Of all the evils in the world today fundamentalist Christianity is
possibly the most dangerous. (It is certainly in the top three with
fundamental Muslims and climate change). If Bush, Blair and Aznar had
not prosecuted an illegal war then (in all likelihood) two hundred
people would be alive in Madrid today. Certainly the world is a less
safe place since they have illegally removed a man who (whilst certainly
evil) offered no threat to any on the invading armies and who was
opposed to Bin Laden. Citing "scripture" in this context seems to
suggest (or at least does to me) that you would be one of those with a
religious outlook that would allay yourself to Bush's view of
Christianity.

And you complain of the use of the word FUCK.......

And I wonder why the world is in the state that it is.......

Matthew Lloyd

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Drennan [mailto:psa119@------.net]
Sent: 17 March 2004 16:45
To: klarinet@------.org
Subject: Re: [kl] not just the music department

Why Matthew,

Allow me to remove all doubt. I WAS serious. No grin needed.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
To: <klarinet@------.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [kl] not just the music department

> There are a lot of people on this list who will assume that you are
> serious in this post. It would have helped had you used the well known
> <BG> or a :-) to indicate humour.
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Drennan [mailto:psa119@------.net]
> Sent: 17 March 2004 15:52
> To: klarinet@------.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] not just the music department
>
> I would urge the list manager to remove Tony Pay from the list for the
> use
> of profanity in his posts. I can handle off topic posts,
conservatives,
> Republicans, and resonite clarinets, but I am deeply disturbing at
> reading a
> post and having to endure cursing. TV is bad enough with what they
> force
> you to watch during commercials, but this list is no place for
foulness.
>
> "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, their feet are swift
to
> shed
> blood, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of
peace
> they
> have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes." Romans
> 3:14-18
>
> If Tony's list of adjectives to describe the clarient is so short that
> he
> must curse it, perhaps he should consider playing something else, such
> as
> the radio.
>
> Gary Drennan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Pay" <tony.p@------.org>
> To: <klarinet@------.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] not just the music department
>
>
> > In message <26559-40576586-6391@--.net>
> > ormondtoby@------.net (Ormondtoby Montoya) wrote:
> >
> > > I was wrong to include my comment about learning handicaps when I
> posted
> > > about schools who have dropped music.
> > >
> > > The 'proper' distribution of resources between disabled and
> non-disabled
> > > is not on-topic here, and I was wrong to bring it up.
> > >
> > > We do not want another "amendment' blow-up on this list.
> >
> > Well, the problem I had was that I didn't understand what you wrote.
> >
> > You said,
> >
> > > Although this doesn't relate to music, test scores of special
> education
> > > students (learning disabled) are penalized for using calculators
and
> > > dictionaries during an exam. So one of our school districts is
> considering
> > > taking calculators and dictionaries away from special education
> students
> in
> > > order to improve the _district's_ overall test scores -- even
though
> the
> > > special education students will do worse in their tests. Poorer
> > > performance, better scores. Talk about double-speak.
> >
> > Can you explain a bit more clearly? Did you mean:
> >
> > > ...one of our school districts is considering taking calculators
and
> > > dictionaries away from ALL students in order to improve the
> _district's_
> > > overall test scores -- even though the special education students
> will
> do
> > > [much] worse in their tests.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Of course, I know that some people here will DIE of HEART ATTACKS if
> you
> talk
> > about something important -- like understanding an argument -- that
> isn't
> > about the fucking CLARINET.
> >
> > Let them.
> >
> > Tony
> > --
> > _________ Tony Pay
> > |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd tony.p@------.org
> > | |ay Oxford OX2 6RE
> http://classicalplus.gmn.com/artists
> > tel/fax 01865 553339
> >
> > ... If he learns from his mistakes, pretty soon he'll know
everything!
> >
> >
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