Klarinet Archive - Posting 000403.txt from 2004/03

From: "Ronald Robinson" <ronald034@------.ca>
Subj: Re: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:57:18 -0500

Matthew,

Yes, I am a Christian. And I believe that God is three persons - Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
I didn't allow my daughter to join the army. She's 20-years-old and she
joined the army of her own accord. I'm hoping that there won't be any
killing at the hands of my daughter. I'm hoping that there will be more
peace keeping. She, however, does not share my faith in God and I do not
force her or anyone else to accept my faith in God. That isn't my goal in
life. Sorry if I have stirred things up.

Evelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
To: <klarinet@------.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism

> Evelyn.
>
> God must be - by definition - the giver of everything. You can't just
> credit a god with the good bits and pass the bad bits on to another.
> He's supposed (at least in most religions) to be all powerful and the
> creator of the Universe.
>
> You sound like a Christian - but what did Jesus say about killing? Thou
> shalt not kill. No ifs or buts whatsoever. Now if you accept the
> Christian teaching then you presumably accept the Holy Trinity which -
> correct me if I am wrong - understands that the Christian God has three
> forms and those are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in other
> words Jesus is - literally - God on Earth.
>
> How can you in all conscience allow your daughter to join the army? Her
> function within the army is to disobey the word of your God. Sounds a
> strange type of worship to me.
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Robinson [mailto:ronald034@------.ca]
> Sent: 06 March 2004 22:54
> To: klarinet@------.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism
>
> Matthew,
> I understand and that fact is very personal to me since I have a
> daughter
> who has now joined the army. But all that bloodshed is not caused by
> God.
> Religion is one thing but God is a loving heavenly Father who I love
> with
> all my heart. He is the giver of good things like beautiful music. I
> believe Satan has his hand in the rest.
> Evelyn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
> To: <klarinet@------.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:37 PM
> Subject: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism
>
>
> > Evelyn,
> >
> > Just think for one moment about how many people have been killed in
> the
> > name of religion over the years - how can that be a benefit?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Robinson [mailto:ronald034@------.ca]
> > Sent: 06 March 2004 22:33
> > To: klarinet@------.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Don't Amend Protest
> >
> > Sorry, the world's a mess without God. Everyone to their opinion and
> > conviction.
> > Evelyn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
> > To: <klarinet@------.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Don't Amend Protest
> >
> >
> > > I think the world would be a much better place without God - any god
> -
> > > to mess things up.
> > >
> > > Matthew Lloyd
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ronald Robinson [mailto:ronald034@------.ca]
> > > Sent: 06 March 2004 22:21
> > > To: klarinet@------.org
> > > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Dont Amend Protest
> > >
> > > All this talk about homosexual behaviour and nature and sinking to a
> > > lower
> > > level - I believe that God created us male and female not male and
> > male
> > > or
> > > female and female. It was in His plan for male and female. It was
> > the
> > > human idea to do same sex and look what happened to Sodom and
> > Gomorrah.
> > >
> > > Evelyn
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rupert Kahn" <Rupert.Kahn@------.net>
> > > To: <klarinet@------.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Dont Amend Protest
> > >
> > >
> > > > Roger S: "Nevertheless, there are primates which exhibit
> homosexual
> > > > behaviour.
> > > > There are other uses than reproduction for sex - as far as I
> > > know....."
> > > >
> > > > Sue R: "...so this means we should lower ourselves to an animal
> > > level?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me: I really wanted to stay out of this but this is such a
> > delightful
> > > > perversion of logic I had to share my enjoyment. Zillions of
> words
> > > have
> > > > been spilt explaining that heterosex is natural and that homosex
> is
> > > against
> > > > nature, and as soon as its pointed out that actually same sex
> > activity
> > > is
> > > > found in nature then suddenly identifying with nature is sinking
> to
> > a
> > > lower
> > > > level.
> > > >
> > > > In fact is anyone really prepared to go the whole hog and argue
> that
> > > natural
> > > > equals correct and everything that follows from that. For myself
> I
> > > think
> > > > that argueing from nature is not productive and begs the question
> > why
> > > anyone
> > > > would ever need to legislate for what is natural.
> > > >
> > > > Rupert
> > > > Derbyshire
> > > > UK
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Sue Raycraft" <raycraft@------.com>
> > > > To: <klarinet@------.org>
> > > > Sent: 06 March 2004 16:35
> > > > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Dont Amend Protest
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Nevertheless, there are primates which exhibit homosexual
> > behaviour.
> > > > > There are other uses than reproduction for sex - as far as I
> > > know.....
> > > > > Roger S.
> > > >
> > > > ...so this means we should lower ourselves to an animal level?
> > > > sue
> > > >
> > > >
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