Klarinet Archive - Posting 000396.txt from 2004/03

From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:31:40 -0500

Evelyn.

God must be - by definition - the giver of everything. You can't just
credit a god with the good bits and pass the bad bits on to another.
He's supposed (at least in most religions) to be all powerful and the
creator of the Universe.

You sound like a Christian - but what did Jesus say about killing? Thou
shalt not kill. No ifs or buts whatsoever. Now if you accept the
Christian teaching then you presumably accept the Holy Trinity which -
correct me if I am wrong - understands that the Christian God has three
forms and those are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in other
words Jesus is - literally - God on Earth.

How can you in all conscience allow your daughter to join the army? Her
function within the army is to disobey the word of your God. Sounds a
strange type of worship to me.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Robinson [mailto:ronald034@------.ca]
Sent: 06 March 2004 22:54
To: klarinet@------.org
Subject: Re: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism

Matthew,
I understand and that fact is very personal to me since I have a
daughter
who has now joined the army. But all that bloodshed is not caused by
God.
Religion is one thing but God is a loving heavenly Father who I love
with
all my heart. He is the giver of good things like beautiful music. I
believe Satan has his hand in the rest.
Evelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
To: <klarinet@------.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: [kl] The Necessity of Atheism

> Evelyn,
>
> Just think for one moment about how many people have been killed in
the
> name of religion over the years - how can that be a benefit?
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Robinson [mailto:ronald034@------.ca]
> Sent: 06 March 2004 22:33
> To: klarinet@------.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Don't Amend Protest
>
> Sorry, the world's a mess without God. Everyone to their opinion and
> conviction.
> Evelyn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@------.f9.co.uk>
> To: <klarinet@------.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Don't Amend Protest
>
>
> > I think the world would be a much better place without God - any god
-
> > to mess things up.
> >
> > Matthew Lloyd
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Robinson [mailto:ronald034@------.ca]
> > Sent: 06 March 2004 22:21
> > To: klarinet@------.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Dont Amend Protest
> >
> > All this talk about homosexual behaviour and nature and sinking to a
> > lower
> > level - I believe that God created us male and female not male and
> male
> > or
> > female and female. It was in His plan for male and female. It was
> the
> > human idea to do same sex and look what happened to Sodom and
> Gomorrah.
> >
> > Evelyn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rupert Kahn" <Rupert.Kahn@------.net>
> > To: <klarinet@------.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Dont Amend Protest
> >
> >
> > > Roger S: "Nevertheless, there are primates which exhibit
homosexual
> > > behaviour.
> > > There are other uses than reproduction for sex - as far as I
> > know....."
> > >
> > > Sue R: "...so this means we should lower ourselves to an animal
> > level?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me: I really wanted to stay out of this but this is such a
> delightful
> > > perversion of logic I had to share my enjoyment. Zillions of
words
> > have
> > > been spilt explaining that heterosex is natural and that homosex
is
> > against
> > > nature, and as soon as its pointed out that actually same sex
> activity
> > is
> > > found in nature then suddenly identifying with nature is sinking
to
> a
> > lower
> > > level.
> > >
> > > In fact is anyone really prepared to go the whole hog and argue
that
> > natural
> > > equals correct and everything that follows from that. For myself
I
> > think
> > > that argueing from nature is not productive and begs the question
> why
> > anyone
> > > would ever need to legislate for what is natural.
> > >
> > > Rupert
> > > Derbyshire
> > > UK
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sue Raycraft" <raycraft@------.com>
> > > To: <klarinet@------.org>
> > > Sent: 06 March 2004 16:35
> > > Subject: Re: [kl] Fwd: [SMB] Dont Amend Protest
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nevertheless, there are primates which exhibit homosexual
> behaviour.
> > > > There are other uses than reproduction for sex - as far as I
> > know.....
> > > > Roger S.
> > >
> > > ...so this means we should lower ourselves to an animal level?
> > > sue
> > >
> > >
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