Klarinet Archive - Posting 000338.txt from 2003/12

From: Dan Leeson <leeson0@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] A little pat on the back for me from me to me and by me
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:10:17 -0500

Bob Langford wrote:
> Uh oh,
>
> My edition has the dum, dum, rest in m. 111 in the reprise !! And we've
> played it this way without anyone commenting that it's awkward. But, now
> that I've been informed, I'll recommend to the others (if we can ever again
> gather the required wind players in the same room at the same time), that we
> omit it the second time around. 2 oboe, 2 bassoon, 4 Bb clar (2 playing the
> basset horn parts), 4 horns !!!, and a contrabass. Likely never to happen
> again at my level of playing. Very sad.
>
> Thanks !
> Bob L.

Of course it does not sound awkward. It's a perfectly suitable but
quite incorrect connection to the coda. The manuscript is the item to
be evaluated and the reasonableness of the evidence, not how it sounds
to people who have heard and played the work incorrectly for 40 years.

And when I say "incorrect" I explicitly refer to the fact that it is not
what Mozart requested. The fact that this was not recognized earlier is
unfortunate but nobody ever looked at that measure with curious eyes.

Dan

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Pay" <Tony@-----.demon.co.uk>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] A little pat on the back for me from me to me and by me
>
>
>
>>On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:36:30 -0500, rlang2000tj@-----.net said:
>>
>>
>>>What's in the m. 111 ?
>>
>>The last two measures of the first section of the Romanza, before the
>>bassethorns and bassoon minor middle section, go, "Diddle-iddle dum,
>>dum,(barline) Dum, dum, (rest)." The idea is that at the end of the
>
> reprise
>
>>of the Romanza, the second of these two bars is omitted, so the transition
>
> to
>
>>the Coda goes, "Diddle-iddle dum,
>
> dum,(barline)Ooooo.....(barline)Ooooo....."
>
>>instead of the traditional "Diddle-iddle dum, dum,(barline)Dum, dum,
>>(rest)(barline)Ooooo.....(barline)Ooooo....."
>>
>>The discussion revolves around the difficulty of going,
>>"dum,(barline)Oooo....." nicely, instead of "dum,
>
> (rest)(barline)Ooooo.....",
>
>>even with the help of "Umm-umm-umm-umm-umm-umm(barline)etc" underneath the
>>"Ooooo....." Some players find the transition difficult to swallow, and
>
> it's
>
>>the different possible unpackings of what is needed for a musician to be
>
> able
>
>>to 'swallow' in such a context that generates the problem.
>>
>>Hope that helps:-)
>>
>>Tony
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