Klarinet Archive - Posting 000653.txt from 2003/09

From: "Karl Krelove" <karlkrelove@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Some Note Questions
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:01:46 -0400

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John P. Varineau [mailto:jvarineau@-----.com]
>
> Somehow our note discussion got over to the entire clarinet list. This
> is probably good so that it will be in the archives in case clarinetists
> of the future have the same questions.
>

Yes, I'm not sure where we went "public," but my only reason for not sending
the details through Klarinet in the first place was to save bandwidth -
certainly no dark secrets or anything sensitive involved.

> Unless Ravel is having fun with a modal repetition of the material at
> rehearsal 7, your key signature change two before 28 is incorrect. The
> strings, harps and trombones change back to the key of two sharps two
> before 28. Since you are on the A clarinet, your signature should have
> only 1 flat, as at rehearsal 7. Curiously, ALL of the woodwind parts
> have the wrong key signature (concert 1 sharp)!
>

Must have been the same engraver who did the 1919 Firebird score.

> As per the fifth measure of reh. 23: The strings and horns are playing a
> sounding C-sharp through the first six eighth notes of the measure, so
> your E-flats are correct throughout those six beats, EXCEPT for the E
> natural on beat 3 which coincides with a D-natural in the bassoon. There
> are no D naturals throughout the orchestra on beat 6.
>

This surprises me a little, but that's why a score is a handy tool for
things like this.

> The triplet on beat 8 of the same measure is a D dominant (D, F-sharp, A,
> C-natural). Curiously, there are simultaneously sounding C-sharps and
> C-naturals on the first note of that triplet! Flute, 2nd bassoon, 3rd
> horn, 1st violins have C natural. 2nd trumpet, 2nd violins, 2nd cellos
> have C-sharp! I feel your triplet should have an E-natural. Your
> E-natural coincides with a D-natural in the second violas. There are no
> D-flats (C-sharps) sounding on the third note of that triplet.
>

As I suspected just from looking at the part.

> If you want to have some fun with your conductor, ask "it" [him/her]
> about the note on beat 6 of 2 measures before reh. 24. You are on the
> B-flat horn and playing a notated F-sharp against the
> strings/oboe/bassoons/horns sounding D-sharp. This should probably be an
> F-natural. Maybe the change has been made in your part already. (The
> second clarinet D-natural goes very nicely with the B-sharp in the rest
> of the parts.)
>

It is hand-marked F-natural in the part already.

> If your orchestra is playing off clean parts you're in for a rough
> rehearsal! Methinks these parts are full of enough errors to make even
> Kalmus blush. I recollect seeing somewhere a full list of errata for
> this piece (probably a compilation by Niewig of the Philadelphia
> Orchestra Library). I just not sure if I have it -- and if I do, if I
> can find it!
>
Unless the conductor is bringing his own parts, which should already be
marked, we're probably using parts from the Fleischer Collection of the
Philadelphia Free Library. These parts are rarely new, so corrections will
probably be penciled in already.

Thanks a million for taking the time to check these. You've been a great
help.

Karl

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