Klarinet Archive - Posting 000327.txt from 2003/09

From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] C clarinet intonation problems
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:45:15 -0400

"At what point (if any) do you feel that a machine becomes too complex to
be quantifiable?"

Only by the limitations currently existing in science.....
The science of the clarinet is largely understood. The differences from one
manufacturer to the other has more to do with the compromises decided upon
by the design team, management and pressure from players....

"This clarinet doesn't play right for me"

Is all about the "me" part....the "me" in some people can do a better job of
evaluation. (level of education, experience, performance, etc.) Dan is after
the criteria that Nancy was using to make this determination.....so that he
can evaluate her evaluation.....?????

"human body is a machine and therefore would be quantifiable if it were
less complex.)"

The human body is 'machine like'....... I'm not sure any living organism can
be considered anything but 'machine like'....and the 'machine like' part of
the human body is being slowly but surely quantified.....

Forest Aten

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ormondtoby Montoya" <ormondtoby@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] C clarinet intonation problems

Forest Aten wrote:

> Clarinets are machines....and can be
> quantified. It's the player that is difficult to put
> in a box.....

At what point (if any) do you feel that a machine becomes too complex to
be quantifiable? Current science & technology can't handle the
'simple' case of Three Bodies, much less all the bodies that interact in
a column of vibrating air. Faced with such complexity, I think it is
quite reasonable to say "This clarinet doesn't play right for me"
without being able to quantify the exact cause.... which is what I heard
in Nancy's words.

(I will avoid the related topic, which has caused wars, of whether the
human body is a machine and therefore would be quantifiable if it were
less complex.)

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