Klarinet Archive - Posting 000743.txt from 2003/08

From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@-----.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the English tradition in general
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:21:57 -0400

But any guesses WHY it is not popular???

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Eclef [mailto:eclef@-----.net]
Subject: Re: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the English
tradition in general

Festival is not a modified R13 Festival staying on the market about 16
years. Exellent model for chamber music.
RC model is not popular in USA either.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Naden" <dnaden@-----.org>
Subject: RE: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the English
tradition in general

> Matt--
>
> I replaced a set of stolen RC Prestige instruments with a set of
Festivals.
> The Festival is of the same high quality workmanship, and does have
the
left
> hand Ab/Eb lever. However, the bore of the Festival is a modified
R-13
> bore, with changes to the tone hole placement.
>
> In addition, the Festival is not as popular as either the RC or R-13
bore
> instruments (Prestige or not) here in the United States.
Consequently, a
> set of Festival instruments can be purchased for approximately $2200
US
less
> that a comparable set of Prestige (RC or R-13 bore) instruments.
>
> In my situation, and because of comparable quality, I purchased the
> Festivals, saved a significant amount of money, and hae a set that
plays
> very well. While I prefer the overall sound quality of the RC
Prestige
> instruments, I can not complain. Are the Festivals "Prestige"
instruments.
> I guess it all depends on ego, and the necessity to say that one owns
a
set
> of Prestige instruments.
>
> David S. Naden, Mmus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Lloyd [mailto:Matthew@-----.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:23 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the
English
> tradition in general
>
>
> Kelly,
>
> I realise that there are two instruments. I suppose I was using
careless
> shorthand in my language (and me a lawyer too!!!) rather than
specifying
RC
> prestige on each occasion.
>
> I played a couple of R-13s and then a couple of RCs before deciding I
> preferred the RC. It was then I introduced the RC Prestige and
couldn't
find
> one as nice as, let alone better than, the RC I had picked out. My
teacher
> agreed.
>
> So I saved the money. I don't use the side Eb/Ab even on my
bass/basset
horn
> much at all so it is no sacrifice.
>
> What about the Festival? Doesn't that count as a Prestige instrument?
It
has
> the little silver thingamy!
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CBA [mailto:clarinet10001@-----.com]
> Sent: 26 August 2003 09:34
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the
English
> tradition in general
>
> Matthew,
>
> I have noticed in this and previous posts you made on the RC/R13
dilemma
> that you refer to the Prestige as ONE model. There is a Prestige R13
and a
> Prestige RC model, reflecting the different bores of the corresponding
> instruments. A Prestige R13 wouldn't probably be your choice if you
like
the
> regular RC. A Prestige RC might open your eyes, though.
>
> I have had Prestige R13s and Prestige RCs and really don't like the
> workmanship on the lower (non-Prestige) horns, as a rule, plus I use
the
> alternate Ab/Eb, so it's a no-brainer for me.
>
> If I am misunderstanding you, do tell. It just looks like you are
comparing
> the RCs (non-Prestige) to Prestige instruments in general, which
encompasses
> 2 distinctly different instruments.
>
> Kelly Abraham
> Clarinet and Saxophone - New York City
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> --- Matthew Lloyd <Matthew@-----.uk> wrote:
> > Would that life that simple!
> >
> > Following Emily's logic, one would expect that the "base" RC/R-13
> > instruments would be less than ideal to get the extra money to
> > the
> > Prestige instruments. But having played the RC that is now
> > mine on
> > approval, I couldn't find a Prestige to match the quality, let
> > alone
> > surpass it and so stuck with the standard (and much cheaper)
> > RC.
> >
> > I have heard it said, and my experiences of a number of Bb and Bb
> > instruments would tend to support, that Buffet quality control
> > isn't
> > good. So if your E-13 was a Friday afternoon instrument, then
> > that could
> > explain a lot.
> >
> > It just goes to emphasise the need to test play the instrument you
are
> > going to buy, rather than the model.
> >
> > Glad to hear that you have an English Instrument now - it worries me
> > how the English clarinet tradition is being swallowed up by the
> > French
> > tradition. Nothing against the French here at all - but an
> > English
> > clarinet is different. My dear Mother, hearing my play the
> > same piece on
> > my newish RC and my twenty three year old Edgware, preferred
> > the sound
> > of the Edgware!
> >
> > I've always wondered how many pairs an international player would
have
> > - more than one I understand - Tony P - any comment? Or does
> > anyone else
> > have more than one pair?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: emily worthington [mailto:emily.worthington@-----.com]
> > Sent: 25 August 2003 14:37
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Buffet E-13/intonation/buffet vs patricola
> > etc
> >
> > IMHO, as an owner of an E-13 A and Leblanc Sonata Bb (that i've just
> > replaced with a beautiful pair of Howarth S2's, the intonation
> > of which
> > is a
> > dream - and which the gentleman who is looking for R-13
> > equivalent
> > instruments might like to try) the E-13 is often poor value
> > for money
> > compared with what Leblanc and other manufanturers offer. My
> > E-13 was
> > extremely poorly set up when I purchased it, though i didn't
> > realise
> > until
> > quite a while after, when my playing and knowledge of the
> > mechanics of
> > the
> > instrument had improved sufficiently for me to question why it
> > was such
> > a
> > beast to play compared to my Bb! The Leblanc Sonata model
> > (priced
> > similarly
> > to an E-11) and Esprit (priced similarly to an E-13) seem to
> > me to be
> > far
> > better value, if you can't afford to go for a pro model. I get
> > the
> > impression that Buffet don't take a lot of care producing well
> > set up
> > intermediate instruments, perhaps to make their proffessional
> > models
> > seem
> > even more impressive!
> >
> > My Sonata has lasted me through 2 years of a music degree and I am
> > only replacing it because I am hoping to go on to do a posgraduate
> > course a
> > music
> > college.
> >
> > What i guess i am saying - in a roundabout way! - is, there are
better
> > intermediate instruments out there that the rather expensive
> > E-13. Of
> > course
> > you could also get a second hand R-13 for about that price.
> >
> > Certainly consult your teacher - a good one will know whether your
> > problems
> > stem from your technique or your instrument! I've recently
> > found that
> > many
> > of the things I beat myself up about not being able to do
> > convincingly
> > were
> > partly due to the limitations of my instrument. It may not be
> > a
> > wonder-cure,
> > but a well put together instrument can make it 100% easier to
> > really
> > isolate
> > and deal with technique problems!
> >
> > good luck!
> >
> > Em
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Bink" <ab010m@-----.edu>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:18 AM
> > Subject: [kl] Buffet E-13
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am a college student, although not a music major, who
> > still performs
> > > extensively and I have the opportunity to study at the
> > Eastman School
> > of
> > > Music in addition to my regular practice. But as I learn
> > more
> > techniques,
> > > my clarinet (an older Normandy) isn't able to handle all of
> > the things
> > I
> > > want to do... it just doesn't respond that well and makes
> > things
> > harder. I
> > > keep reading that the Buffet E-13 is a good choice for
> > college
> > students
> > > not majoring in music but who plan to keep on playing well
> > into his or
> > her
> > > life. However, I haven't read about any other models,
> > anything by
> > LeBlanc
> > > etc. who, can make the same claim. Can anyone give me advice
> > on the
> > E-13
> > > and if possible, reccomend some other models that might suit
> > me well?
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> >
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