Klarinet Archive - Posting 000704.txt from 2003/08

From: CBA <clarinet10001@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the English tradition in general
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:29:38 -0400

Matthew,

Festival is an instrument with a lower purchase price than the
Prestige with all the Prestige trimmings. I am not sure of the
bore type to be honest, as I have tried many, and not liked any
of them, so I am guessing it either has an R13 bore or something
like it, since I prefer the RC to the R13. The Festival and
Prestige, as I have heard, are the same price in Europe, but the
Festival is about $800 US less (circa $500 GBP less) in the US.

By the way, I didn't hear any concrete plans of you here in NYC.
Are you already here? I am free during the day today and
tomorrow, if you would like to meet. I'll also let you try out
my Chadash clarinets, if you like!

Kelly Abraham
Clarinet and Saxophone - New York City
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--- Matthew Lloyd <Matthew@-----.uk> wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> I realise that there are two instruments. I suppose I was
> using careless
> shorthand in my language (and me a lawyer too!!!) rather than
> specifying
> RC prestige on each occasion.
>
> I played a couple of R-13s and then a couple of RCs before
> deciding I
> preferred the RC. It was then I introduced the RC Prestige and
> couldn't
> find one as nice as, let alone better than, the RC I had
> picked out. My
> teacher agreed.
>
> So I saved the money. I don't use the side Eb/Ab even on my
> bass/basset
> horn much at all so it is no sacrifice.
>
> What about the Festival? Doesn't that count as a Prestige
> instrument? It
> has the little silver thingamy!
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CBA [mailto:clarinet10001@-----.com]
> Sent: 26 August 2003 09:34
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and
> the English
> tradition in general
>
> Matthew,
>
> I have noticed in this and previous posts you made on the
> RC/R13
> dilemma that you refer to the Prestige as ONE model. There is
> a
> Prestige R13 and a Prestige RC model, reflecting the different
> bores of the corresponding instruments. A Prestige R13
> wouldn't
> probably be your choice if you like the regular RC. A Prestige
> RC might open your eyes, though.
>
> I have had Prestige R13s and Prestige RCs and really don't
> like
> the workmanship on the lower (non-Prestige) horns, as a rule,
> plus I use the alternate Ab/Eb, so it's a no-brainer for me.
>
> If I am misunderstanding you, do tell. It just looks like you
> are comparing the RCs (non-Prestige) to Prestige instruments
> in
> general, which encompasses 2 distinctly different instruments.
>
> Kelly Abraham
> Clarinet and Saxophone - New York City
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> --- Matthew Lloyd <Matthew@-----.uk> wrote:
> > Would that life that simple!
> >
> > Following Emily's logic, one would expect that the "base"
> > RC/R-13
> > instruments would be less than ideal to get the extra money
> to
> > the
> > Prestige instruments. But having played the RC that is now
> > mine on
> > approval, I couldn't find a Prestige to match the quality,
> let
> > alone
> > surpass it and so stuck with the standard (and much cheaper)
> > RC.
> >
> > I have heard it said, and my experiences of a number of Bb
> and
> > Bb
> > instruments would tend to support, that Buffet quality
> control
> > isn't
> > good. So if your E-13 was a Friday afternoon instrument,
> then
> > that could
> > explain a lot.
> >
> > It just goes to emphasise the need to test play the
> instrument
> > you are
> > going to buy, rather than the model.
> >
> > Glad to hear that you have an English Instrument now - it
> > worries me how
> > the English clarinet tradition is being swallowed up by the
> > French
> > tradition. Nothing against the French here at all - but an
> > English
> > clarinet is different. My dear Mother, hearing my play the
> > same piece on
> > my newish RC and my twenty three year old Edgware, preferred
> > the sound
> > of the Edgware!
> >
> > I've always wondered how many pairs an international player
> > would have -
> > more than one I understand - Tony P - any comment? Or does
> > anyone else
> > have more than one pair?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: emily worthington
> > [mailto:emily.worthington@-----.com]
> > Sent: 25 August 2003 14:37
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Buffet E-13/intonation/buffet vs patricola
> > etc
> >
> > IMHO, as an owner of an E-13 A and Leblanc Sonata Bb (that
> > i've just
> > replaced with a beautiful pair of Howarth S2's, the
> intonation
> > of which
> > is a
> > dream - and which the gentleman who is looking for R-13
> > equivalent
> > instruments might like to try) the E-13 is often poor value
> > for money
> > compared with what Leblanc and other manufanturers offer. My
> > E-13 was
> > extremely poorly set up when I purchased it, though i didn't
> > realise
> > until
> > quite a while after, when my playing and knowledge of the
> > mechanics of
> > the
> > instrument had improved sufficiently for me to question why
> it
> > was such
> > a
> > beast to play compared to my Bb! The Leblanc Sonata model
> > (priced
> > similarly
> > to an E-11) and Esprit (priced similarly to an E-13) seem to
> > me to be
> > far
> > better value, if you can't afford to go for a pro model. I
> get
> > the
> > impression that Buffet don't take a lot of care producing
> well
> > set up
> > intermediate instruments, perhaps to make their
> proffessional
> > models
> > seem
> > even more impressive!
> >
> > My Sonata has lasted me through 2 years of a music degree
> and
> > I am only
> > replacing it because I am hoping to go on to do a
> posgraduate
> > course a
> > music
> > college.
> >
> > What i guess i am saying - in a roundabout way! - is, there
> > are better
> > intermediate instruments out there that the rather expensive
> > E-13. Of
> > course
> > you could also get a second hand R-13 for about that price.
> >
> > Certainly consult your teacher - a good one will know
> whether
> > your
> > problems
> > stem from your technique or your instrument! I've recently
> > found that
> > many
> > of the things I beat myself up about not being able to do
> > convincingly
> > were
> > partly due to the limitations of my instrument. It may not
> be
> > a
> > wonder-cure,
> > but a well put together instrument can make it 100% easier
> to
> > really
> > isolate
> > and deal with technique problems!
> >
> > good luck!
> >
> > Em
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Bink" <ab010m@-----.edu>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>
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