Klarinet Archive - Posting 000662.txt from 2003/08

From: CBA <clarinet10001@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Buying E-13/R-13/S2/Edware instruments and the English tradition in general
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:33:53 -0400

Matthew,

I have noticed in this and previous posts you made on the RC/R13
dilemma that you refer to the Prestige as ONE model. There is a
Prestige R13 and a Prestige RC model, reflecting the different
bores of the corresponding instruments. A Prestige R13 wouldn't
probably be your choice if you like the regular RC. A Prestige
RC might open your eyes, though.

I have had Prestige R13s and Prestige RCs and really don't like
the workmanship on the lower (non-Prestige) horns, as a rule,
plus I use the alternate Ab/Eb, so it's a no-brainer for me.

If I am misunderstanding you, do tell. It just looks like you
are comparing the RCs (non-Prestige) to Prestige instruments in
general, which encompasses 2 distinctly different instruments.

Kelly Abraham
Clarinet and Saxophone - New York City
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--- Matthew Lloyd <Matthew@-----.uk> wrote:
> Would that life that simple!
>
> Following Emily's logic, one would expect that the "base"
> RC/R-13
> instruments would be less than ideal to get the extra money to
> the
> Prestige instruments. But having played the RC that is now
> mine on
> approval, I couldn't find a Prestige to match the quality, let
> alone
> surpass it and so stuck with the standard (and much cheaper)
> RC.
>
> I have heard it said, and my experiences of a number of Bb and
> Bb
> instruments would tend to support, that Buffet quality control
> isn't
> good. So if your E-13 was a Friday afternoon instrument, then
> that could
> explain a lot.
>
> It just goes to emphasise the need to test play the instrument
> you are
> going to buy, rather than the model.
>
> Glad to hear that you have an English Instrument now - it
> worries me how
> the English clarinet tradition is being swallowed up by the
> French
> tradition. Nothing against the French here at all - but an
> English
> clarinet is different. My dear Mother, hearing my play the
> same piece on
> my newish RC and my twenty three year old Edgware, preferred
> the sound
> of the Edgware!
>
> I've always wondered how many pairs an international player
> would have -
> more than one I understand - Tony P - any comment? Or does
> anyone else
> have more than one pair?
>
> Matthew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: emily worthington
> [mailto:emily.worthington@-----.com]
> Sent: 25 August 2003 14:37
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Buffet E-13/intonation/buffet vs patricola
> etc
>
> IMHO, as an owner of an E-13 A and Leblanc Sonata Bb (that
> i've just
> replaced with a beautiful pair of Howarth S2's, the intonation
> of which
> is a
> dream - and which the gentleman who is looking for R-13
> equivalent
> instruments might like to try) the E-13 is often poor value
> for money
> compared with what Leblanc and other manufanturers offer. My
> E-13 was
> extremely poorly set up when I purchased it, though i didn't
> realise
> until
> quite a while after, when my playing and knowledge of the
> mechanics of
> the
> instrument had improved sufficiently for me to question why it
> was such
> a
> beast to play compared to my Bb! The Leblanc Sonata model
> (priced
> similarly
> to an E-11) and Esprit (priced similarly to an E-13) seem to
> me to be
> far
> better value, if you can't afford to go for a pro model. I get
> the
> impression that Buffet don't take a lot of care producing well
> set up
> intermediate instruments, perhaps to make their proffessional
> models
> seem
> even more impressive!
>
> My Sonata has lasted me through 2 years of a music degree and
> I am only
> replacing it because I am hoping to go on to do a posgraduate
> course a
> music
> college.
>
> What i guess i am saying - in a roundabout way! - is, there
> are better
> intermediate instruments out there that the rather expensive
> E-13. Of
> course
> you could also get a second hand R-13 for about that price.
>
> Certainly consult your teacher - a good one will know whether
> your
> problems
> stem from your technique or your instrument! I've recently
> found that
> many
> of the things I beat myself up about not being able to do
> convincingly
> were
> partly due to the limitations of my instrument. It may not be
> a
> wonder-cure,
> but a well put together instrument can make it 100% easier to
> really
> isolate
> and deal with technique problems!
>
> good luck!
>
> Em
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Bink" <ab010m@-----.edu>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:18 AM
> Subject: [kl] Buffet E-13
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a college student, although not a music major, who
> still performs
> > extensively and I have the opportunity to study at the
> Eastman School
> of
> > Music in addition to my regular practice. But as I learn
> more
> techniques,
> > my clarinet (an older Normandy) isn't able to handle all of
> the things
> I
> > want to do... it just doesn't respond that well and makes
> things
> harder. I
> > keep reading that the Buffet E-13 is a good choice for
> college
> students
> > not majoring in music but who plan to keep on playing well
> into his or
> her
> > life. However, I haven't read about any other models,
> anything by
> LeBlanc
> > etc. who, can make the same claim. Can anyone give me advice
> on the
> E-13
> > and if possible, reccomend some other models that might suit
> me well?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
>
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