Klarinet Archive - Posting 000628.txt from 2003/08

From: "Forest Aten" <forestaten@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Rossi and Patricola vs Buffet
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:49:35 -0400

Gene,

I forgot to ask....when a new model is introduced (by any manufacturer),
does that always make it "better"?

Just a thought.

Forest

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Nibbelin" <gnibbelin@-----.com>
Subject: RE: [kl] Rossi and Patricola vs Buffet

> Joe -
>
> I don't suppose that the fact that Leblanc has brought out Concerto II and
> Opus II improved models would have anything to do with the "close-out"
> prices available on the older Concerto and Opus models. When I purchased
my
> pair of Concertos four or five years ago, they were about $100.00 (each)
> more expensive than the Buffet R-13s. That was $200.00 well spent, in my
> opinion.
>
> It seems that for me on my horns, most of the professional instrument
> problems discussed on the list seem to be R-13 problems.
> At least my teacher's new R-13 seems to have some of these problems. The
> recent discussion on A-Bb to B & C problems - stuffiness etc. doesn't
exist
> on my Leblancs. I remember that someone on the list a while back
mentioned
> that Leblanc had corrected this problem a number of years ago while Buffet
> had not - unless recently. I no longer find it necessary to use the
> resonance fingerings on A & Bb that have been necessary on the R-13s and
> many other brands.
>
> I'm not "up" on Buffet history, but when was the last time that Buffet
came
> out with a NEW model? Just curious.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gene N.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Redmon [mailto:red1451@-----.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Rossi and Patricola vs Buffet
>
> My 2 bits...
>
> I have always gone back to Buffet. I've tried and
> owned almost every available clarinet - with the
> exception of the reform boehm. A good R-13 is as good
> as anything made, IMHO. For me, there is an equal
> balance between flexibility, stability, tone, and can
> be used for any style. The R-13 is considered "the"
> horn in most circles for a reason. Not all tradition
> is bad! I also have a rosewood Rossi french bore.
> It's a wonderful instrument and sounds terrific. It is
> very flexible and is even in the registers. I'm not
> sure if it being rosewood has anything to do with it's
> flexibility, but could be. The drawback is that it's
> sound is quite unique compared to the R-13. This
> becomes an issue with most clarinetists in ensemble
> play. If all I did was solo work, i'd probably use a
> Rossi exclusively. The only fault I see with it is
> that the keys feel big to me. I have average hands.
> Maybe I am just used to the R-13 layout.
>
> I also own a Selmer Signature. Great horn with a
> slightly different tonal shape than the R-13 or Rossi.
> It is extremely stable in all registers. Not much
> flexibility though. The Signature is an excellent
> orchestral horn because of that. That is.. if you use
> a flexible mouthpiece reed combo. Otherwise, it may
> be a little to uni-dimensional. I've tried
> Patricola's before on many different occasions. They
> seem like an ok horn. All were stuffy to me hough,
> including the rosewood model. Maybe this is because
> the "Italian school" generally uses a really flexible
> and open mouthpiece. Speculation on my part. The
> Patricola is a well built horn though.
>
> Hope any of this helped. I would choose an instrument
> that works best for you and fits your current and
> future playing needs. I would personally opt for the
> R-13 because of value, dependability, availability,
> overlall use, etc. It's funny, I see ads in the
> retail catalogs that are offering "blowout" deals on
> the Leblanc Opus and other brands. You never see
> Buffet doing that. The resale is excellent as well.
> The way I look at it, if a company starts selling you
> their supposed top of the line horns for half price
> because they came out with a new and improved model,
> it makes me wonder if it was worth the money anyway.
>
> Good luck!
>
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