Klarinet Archive - Posting 000280.txt from 2003/07

From: "Age E.Smies" <asmies@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Teaching problem
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:03:31 -0400

The best solution will be to trust your ear.
aes

> Doug,
>
> There are MANY books that would disagree about this with you.
> Yes, Harvard Dictionary does have that example of accidentals in
> music NOT being applied to other octaves. I have a stack full of
> PRACTICAL theory books which disagree with you and the Harvard
> Dictionary, PLUS, I have been corrected on MANY occasions in ALL
> genres of music by applied music teachers in making sure the
> accidental follows all of the notes, regardless of octave, in
> the measure.
>
> I *am* trying to be argumentative, but not because I take this
> as a personal hit (for all of the people ready for war out
> there, calm down...lol!) I don't know of other references to
> this scenario in any book which backs up the Harvard Dictionary
> theory, and have only experienced a few people (not teachers)
> that have been proponents of not applying the accidentals to
> other octaves.
>
> Besides just the printed work, what would the people here on
> this list say in relation to this? I am very curious, since this
> does make quite an impact on music from the Romantic period to
> present, moreso than other music.
>
> By the way, if you look at most 20th century music, including
> Schoenberg, you will find that he would use a natural later in a
> measure to cancel the accidental on a note on a different
> octave. Gunther Schuller...the same. Bernstein also... They were
> (are) rather definitive examples of modern theory practices, in
> my opinion.
>
> Again, I am just trying to work this out. I just need a little
> more than the Harvard Dictionary, since I have been exposed to
> practical examples of my version of the accidental rule, from
> teachers, music, and text books throughout my studies over the
> last 25 years in music, and I really have NOT been exposed to
> situations where a note in a different octave would NOT follow
> an accidental's change. You *could* be right, but I would need
> something else more magnanimus to make me forgo all the books,
> composers and teachers who have instructed me differently than
> what the Harvard Dictionary says.
>
> (I *am* looking forward to responses, as this really interests
> me.)
>
> No anonymous responses please <ROTFLMAO> (Just kidding)
>
> Kelly Abraham
> Woodwinds - New York City
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> --- Doug Sears <dsears@-----.net> wrote:
> > I'm surprised that ten people haven't already jumped in here.
> > Maybe y'all
> > didn't read Kelly's long post very carefully, but this really
> > jumped out at
> > me. The book is correct, and Kelly is not. "In modern practice
> > a sign affects
> > the note immediately following and is valid for all the notes
> > of the same
> > pitch (but not in different octaves) within the same measure."
> > --Willi Appel,
> > Harvard Dict. of Music, 1944. What Bach would think isn't the
> > issue, because
> > notation practice has changed more than once since his time.
> > Kelly seemed to
> > be talking about 19th- and early 20th-century practice. You
> > have to be
> > careful about context when making blanket statements about
> > notation: a
> > manuscript from 1560 or a "serious" work written in 1960 might
> > have an
> > accidental applying _only_ to the one note, not to repeated
> > notes following
> > it.
> >
> > --Doug Sears
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "CBA" <clarinet10001@-----.com> [how's that for an
> > anonymous e-mail
> > address?]
> >
> > > accidentals. The book erroneously says that an accidental in
> > the
> > > measure only affects the notes on that space or line, and
> > not
> > > the octaves. I think Bach would have some choice words for
> > > her...lol! I just make sure I cross that out WAY before we
> > get
> > > to it, and rewrite it to say that an accidental affects ALL
> > of
> > > the notes in that measure, regardless of the octave.
> >
> > > Kelly Abraham
> >
> >
>
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