Klarinet Archive - Posting 000270.txt from 2003/07

From: "Raycraft" <raycraft@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Truth and the Philosophy of Music
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:36:36 -0400

> Someone who was 'clueless' about sound, and heard what Kevin Fay had to
> say about the importance of having a sound 'in your head', might very
> well say to themselves, "I haven't a clue what he means by that. What
> sort of sound could I have in my head?" That would be a good beginning.

True. But in a case like that, they are no longer oblivious to their
cluelessness, because it has been brought to their attention by
something someone said.

>
> Someone who didn't seem to be making any progress in some other area of
> their playing, might say, "I haven't a clue how to approach this."
> Then, remembering what Dave Kumpf said about 'clueless', they might
> think, "Hey, what would be a clue?"

I still see how we are talking about someone who is at least
somewhat aware that they are missing something. My original
comment was referring to someone who is totally unaware
that they don't know. As long as they don't know that they
don't know, the fact that they "don't know" will not bother them.

It is only when somone or something has brought their attention
to it that they become aware that they are missing something,
and at that point, they are no longer completely clueless. They
do have the first clue, and can go on from there.

>
> Once, early on in my experience of playing period instruments, I'd hit a
> wall in practising the Weber clarinet quintet, which is quite a tall
> order on a 9-key clarinet, to begin with at least. I happened to be
> fooling around with the programming language LOGO at the time, and there
> was an implementation of a program called ELIZA on the disc.

> ELIZA, originally written by Joseph Weizenbaum, mimicked a Rogerian
> therapist. Using canned responses, it would reflect back bits of what
> you thought were your problems<snip>

<snip>
> What makes you think you can't play the fucking Weber clarinet quintet?

Now, Tony. That's what you get for saying, "I can't".
Sue

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