Klarinet Archive - Posting 000261.txt from 2003/07

From: Tony@-----.uk (Tony Pay)
Subj: Re: [kl] Truth and the Philosophy of Music
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:05:52 -0400

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:36:24 -0700, raycraft@-----.com said:

> > > That's comforting. ;-)
> >
> > Well, it is, isn't it? You can do something *immediately* about
> > being clueless: namely, begin to follow up some clue.
> >
> > It's nice, though not absolutely essential, if it's a good clue --
> > hence the role of the teacher.
>
> But, Tony....if the clueless don't know they are clueless, then how do
> they recognize the clue?

Someone who was 'clueless' about sound, and heard what Kevin Fay had to
say about the importance of having a sound 'in your head', might very
well say to themselves, "I haven't a clue what he means by that. What
sort of sound could I have in my head?" That would be a good beginning.

Someone who didn't seem to be making any progress in some other area of
their playing, might say, "I haven't a clue how to approach this."
Then, remembering what Dave Kumpf said about 'clueless', they might
think, "Hey, what would be a clue?"

Once, early on in my experience of playing period instruments, I'd hit a
wall in practising the Weber clarinet quintet, which is quite a tall
order on a 9-key clarinet, to begin with at least. I happened to be
fooling around with the programming language LOGO at the time, and there
was an implementation of a program called ELIZA on the disc.

ELIZA, originally written by Joseph Weizenbaum, mimicked a Rogerian
therapist. Using canned responses, it would reflect back bits of what
you thought were your problems, which it had invited you to type in. A
typical session might begin:

Hello, I'm ELIZA. Tell me your problem.

? _

(So you might type:

? My wife doesn't understand me.

Do you find people often don't understand you?

? Yes.

Tell me more about that.

...and so on.)

So I put the clarinet down, went over to the computer, fired up ELIZA,
and typed in:

? I can't play the fucking Weber clarinet quintet.

...to which ELIZA'S response was:

What makes you think you can't play the fucking Weber clarinet quintet?

Funnily enough, it was a help.

Tony
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