Klarinet Archive - Posting 000676.txt from 2003/06

From: jimmy lee <jrlaudio@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:40:04 -0400

Hear, Hear
Jimmy

Jason Spradlin wrote:

> They say that the two things you don't want to bring in to a pleasant
> conversation are Religion and Politics. I normally agree. But I think
> there is a third in this case, and that would be Vibrato.
>
> Jason Spradlin
> Roswell, Georgia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW" <DUFFYL@-----.CA>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
>
> > Corruption in politics is real. Death is real. Music is real. Do they
> > relate. No! Can music make the world
> > more pieaceful place...doubt it because human nature is generally in
> > preferance of hiring crooked politicians who are slime buckets....if you
> > think politicians are Angels i woould think again.
> >
> > For Example. Does the US have enough weapons to blow up the world Yes
> >
> > . Did the US find the weapons of Mass Destruction NO....is Bush a
> > reprobate...Yes.
> >
> > In Canada we have had so many problems with Trust and Government I think
> you
> > have to be careful when you go on a MORAL CRUSADE against EVIL DOERs
> > because its so easy for these people to become EVIL in an extraordinary
> way.
> > Amd I mean politicians....
> >
> > What does this have to do with music....well the THIRD Reich also
> > championed the cause of music and if it takes another refrain of GOD BLESS
> > AMERICA to blow out another STRONGHOLD in IRAQ THEN I geuss I AM NOT
> > GOING on to play that song....
> >
> > It looks like another Vietnam, and I remember all too well how such
> forays
> > end up in Everyone losing.....
> >
> > I also think we don't need a McDonald's in Bagdad....----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
> >
> >
> > > I agree,
> > > There's a huge danger in saying things like "we're musicians and
> > > artists first." I don't understand how you can feel like that. We're
> human
> > > beings first, living in a real world. Art, Music, and politics are not
> > these
> > > separate entities. Trying to separate yourself from the real world is
> > folly.
> > > Something a little disturbing: I recently spoke with a friend at
> the
> > > Aspen music festival who didn't know about the riots in Michigan.
> > Moreover,
> > > they hadn't read or seen a newspaper. In response to my shock, she
> > informed
> > > me that "it's a pretty insulated place, no one really cares about that
> > > stuff." I hope that's not true.
> > >
> > > Alexander Michael Brash
> > > Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
> > > 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
> > >
> > > phone (212) 875 - 5735
> > > cell (646) 284 - 0439
> > > email brasha@-----.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matthew Lloyd [mailto:Matthew@-----.uk]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:15 AM
> > > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > > Subject: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
> > >
> > > Some of the greatest musicians have been political - look at Toscanini
> > > for a start. Didn't he do concerts at Madison Square to raise money - as
> > > a patriotic Italian -- for the American War effort? Having told
> > > Mussolini where to shove it?
> > >
> > > What is art for if not to improve the human condition? Or do you follow
> > > Wilde and feel that it is ornamental?
> > >
> > > Beethoven IX?
> > > Fidelio?
> > > Figaro?
> > >
> > > Ornamental? Nahh - POLITICAL
> > >
> > > Matthew Lloyd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW [mailto:DUFFYL@-----.CA]
> > > Sent: 20 June 2003 19:55
> > > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> > >
> > > I think politics should be banished from this board for once and
> > > all...this
> > > is not the place for any of these. We are musicians and artists
> > > first....
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
> > > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:01 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> > >
> > >
> > > We handle the problem like this: playing in an AMERICAN "tradition." As
> > > Stravinsky said in his Charles Eliot Norton lectures at Harvard:
> > >
> > >
> > > 'A real tradition is not the relic of a past irretrievably gone; it is a
> > > living force that animates and informs the present. (...) Far from
> > > implying
> > > the repetition of what has been, tradition presupposes the reality of
> > > what
> > > endures. (...) Tradition ensures the continuity of creation. (...) A
> > > renewal
> > > is fruitful only when it goes hand in hand with tradition.'
> > >
> > > I think this quote outlines very well (among other things) the spirit of
> > > the
> > > American clarinet. We take established schools and traditions and let
> > > them
> > > inform us as we continuously evolve. This is why the principal players
> > > in
> > > our orchestras are not deadly boring musicians, ie Leister. And speaking
> > > of
> > > "relics of the past irretrievably gone"...ummm where are the women in
> > > your
> > > orchestras? I know they're trickling in, but I wonder how female German
> > > clarinetists feel about the male dominated German school. Oh wait! I
> > > know
> > > what they do! They become soloists instead and then come over here and
> > > play!
> > >
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > > Seriously, I think we are missing something, historically speaking. Over
> > > here it would be totally unthinkable to use vibrato (at least in
> > > Austro/German chamber music) and I must say that it DOES sound FAR
> > > better
> > > than the less restrictive performance practice...
> > >
> > > Please prove to me it sounds far better. See Mr. Cohler's article for
> > > some
> > > discussion of his own experiments with non musicians, and asking them
> > > which
> > > tone quality they prefer. Let me see something similar from you.
> > >
> > > By the way, I can think of several great places to shove my freedom
> > > horn.
> > >
> > >
> > > Alexander Michael Brash
> > > Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
> > > 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
> > >
> > > phone (212) 875 - 5735
> > > cell (646) 284 - 0439
> > > email brasha@-----.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ferengizâde daniêl shawqy [mailto:rab@-----.de]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> > >
> > > No!
> > > Clarinet and vibrato! How could a civilized Conductor tolerate such a
> > > gross
> > > abuse of the noblest of all wind instruments? I think in Germany you'd
> > > get
> > > lynched if you'd dare to try even the most subtle vibrato.
> > > Yet,
> > > the great Muehlfeld (for whom Brahms wrote his late parts) was reported
> > > to
> > > have played with more vibrato than the cellist of the Joachim
> > > quartet....
> > >
> > > Seriously, I think we are missing something, historically speaking. Over
> > > here it would be totally unthinkable to use vibrato (at least in
> > > Austro/German chamber music) and I must say that it DOES sound FAR
> > > better
> > > than the less restrictive performance practice... maybe one day we'll
> > > have
> > > to acknowledge that the modern Austrogerman Clarinet and it's playing
> > > tradition is in fact a different instrument and should be given a
> > > different
> > > name or rather the French/Italian instrument should be called "claroe",
> > > "clarott", "claroon" "clareek" or something like that...
> > > BTW, may I ask how US players handle the problem of playing an
> > > instrument
> > > that is either French or German in tradition (i.e. evil in any case) --
> > > Did
> > > you have to rename it "freedom horn" or did someone come up with a new
> > > "redneck"-system?
> > > Regards,
> > > danyel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Deidre Calarco
> > > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/18/03 1:48 PM, "Jimmy Lee" <jrlaudio@-----.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > a conductor that does not want clarinets to use vibrator is a
> > > > loser
> > >
> > > ROFL
> > >
> > > I agree. It's none of the conductor's business if the clarinetists like
> > > to
> > > use vibrators. That's personal!
> > >
> > > (back to lurking)
> > >
> > > -Deidre
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Klarinet is supported by Woodwind.Org, http://www.woodwind.org/