Klarinet Archive - Posting 000651.txt from 2003/06

From: "LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW" <DUFFYL@-----.CA>
Subj: Re: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:19:14 -0400

Corruption in politics is real. Death is real. Music is real. Do they
relate. No! Can music make the world
more pieaceful place...doubt it because human nature is generally in
preferance of hiring crooked politicians who are slime buckets....if you
think politicians are Angels i woould think again.

For Example. Does the US have enough weapons to blow up the world Yes

. Did the US find the weapons of Mass Destruction NO....is Bush a
reprobate...Yes.

In Canada we have had so many problems with Trust and Government I think you
have to be careful when you go on a MORAL CRUSADE against EVIL DOERs
because its so easy for these people to become EVIL in an extraordinary way.
Amd I mean politicians....

What does this have to do with music....well the THIRD Reich also
championed the cause of music and if it takes another refrain of GOD BLESS
AMERICA to blow out another STRONGHOLD in IRAQ THEN I geuss I AM NOT
GOING on to play that song....

It looks like another Vietnam, and I remember all too well how such forays
end up in Everyone losing.....

I also think we don't need a McDonald's in Bagdad....----- Original
Message -----
From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
Subject: RE: [kl] Political postings - ON topic

> I agree,
> There's a huge danger in saying things like "we're musicians and
> artists first." I don't understand how you can feel like that. We're human
> beings first, living in a real world. Art, Music, and politics are not
these
> separate entities. Trying to separate yourself from the real world is
folly.
> Something a little disturbing: I recently spoke with a friend at the
> Aspen music festival who didn't know about the riots in Michigan.
Moreover,
> they hadn't read or seen a newspaper. In response to my shock, she
informed
> me that "it's a pretty insulated place, no one really cares about that
> stuff." I hope that's not true.
>
> Alexander Michael Brash
> Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
> 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
>
> phone (212) 875 - 5735
> cell (646) 284 - 0439
> email brasha@-----.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Lloyd [mailto:Matthew@-----.uk]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:15 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
>
> Some of the greatest musicians have been political - look at Toscanini
> for a start. Didn't he do concerts at Madison Square to raise money - as
> a patriotic Italian -- for the American War effort? Having told
> Mussolini where to shove it?
>
> What is art for if not to improve the human condition? Or do you follow
> Wilde and feel that it is ornamental?
>
> Beethoven IX?
> Fidelio?
> Figaro?
>
> Ornamental? Nahh - POLITICAL
>
> Matthew Lloyd
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW [mailto:DUFFYL@-----.CA]
> Sent: 20 June 2003 19:55
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
>
> I think politics should be banished from this board for once and
> all...this
> is not the place for any of these. We are musicians and artists
> first....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
>
>
> We handle the problem like this: playing in an AMERICAN "tradition." As
> Stravinsky said in his Charles Eliot Norton lectures at Harvard:
>
>
> 'A real tradition is not the relic of a past irretrievably gone; it is a
> living force that animates and informs the present. (...) Far from
> implying
> the repetition of what has been, tradition presupposes the reality of
> what
> endures. (...) Tradition ensures the continuity of creation. (...) A
> renewal
> is fruitful only when it goes hand in hand with tradition.'
>
> I think this quote outlines very well (among other things) the spirit of
> the
> American clarinet. We take established schools and traditions and let
> them
> inform us as we continuously evolve. This is why the principal players
> in
> our orchestras are not deadly boring musicians, ie Leister. And speaking
> of
> "relics of the past irretrievably gone"...ummm where are the women in
> your
> orchestras? I know they're trickling in, but I wonder how female German
> clarinetists feel about the male dominated German school. Oh wait! I
> know
> what they do! They become soloists instead and then come over here and
> play!
>
>
> You wrote:
> Seriously, I think we are missing something, historically speaking. Over
> here it would be totally unthinkable to use vibrato (at least in
> Austro/German chamber music) and I must say that it DOES sound FAR
> better
> than the less restrictive performance practice...
>
> Please prove to me it sounds far better. See Mr. Cohler's article for
> some
> discussion of his own experiments with non musicians, and asking them
> which
> tone quality they prefer. Let me see something similar from you.
>
> By the way, I can think of several great places to shove my freedom
> horn.
>
>
> Alexander Michael Brash
> Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
> 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
>
> phone (212) 875 - 5735
> cell (646) 284 - 0439
> email brasha@-----.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ferengizâde daniêl shawqy [mailto:rab@-----.de]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:21 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
>
> No!
> Clarinet and vibrato! How could a civilized Conductor tolerate such a
> gross
> abuse of the noblest of all wind instruments? I think in Germany you'd
> get
> lynched if you'd dare to try even the most subtle vibrato.
> Yet,
> the great Muehlfeld (for whom Brahms wrote his late parts) was reported
> to
> have played with more vibrato than the cellist of the Joachim
> quartet....
>
> Seriously, I think we are missing something, historically speaking. Over
> here it would be totally unthinkable to use vibrato (at least in
> Austro/German chamber music) and I must say that it DOES sound FAR
> better
> than the less restrictive performance practice... maybe one day we'll
> have
> to acknowledge that the modern Austrogerman Clarinet and it's playing
> tradition is in fact a different instrument and should be given a
> different
> name or rather the French/Italian instrument should be called "claroe",
> "clarott", "claroon" "clareek" or something like that...
> BTW, may I ask how US players handle the problem of playing an
> instrument
> that is either French or German in tradition (i.e. evil in any case) --
> Did
> you have to rename it "freedom horn" or did someone come up with a new
> "redneck"-system?
> Regards,
> danyel
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Deidre Calarco
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
>
>
> On 6/18/03 1:48 PM, "Jimmy Lee" <jrlaudio@-----.net> wrote:
>
> > a conductor that does not want clarinets to use vibrator is a
> > loser
>
> ROFL
>
> I agree. It's none of the conductor's business if the clarinetists like
> to
> use vibrators. That's personal!
>
> (back to lurking)
>
> -Deidre
>
>
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