Klarinet Archive - Posting 000587.txt from 2003/06

From: "LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW" <DUFFYL@-----.CA>
Subj: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:35:59 -0400

Thanks on the quick response. I think also it depends on what alot means
too as well and here is the danger zone where people can easily offended. I
think there are numerous passages in the Scottish symphony especially the
nifty basson clarinet duet at the end where you really have the think as a
team and at the same time assert yourself tonally so to speak. generally
most bassoons play with a bit of vibrato, although I am blessed with having
a great bassoon player beside me as well as a fun players who is willing to
take musical risks. Its very important to have a good working relationship
with the bassoon no matter what chair a clarinet player is in...the 2cd
clarinet player has some really important roles with bassoons orchestrally
in these works.

The Scottish is one of my favorites, and alot of snobs sneer at this piece
for some reason....not sure why. However, the Mendelsohn repetoire I pretty
well think of as great stuff for any orchestra. Just to reflect on a few
things , one does not hear the reformation symphony for some reason as
well. Its a nice piece. In this repetoire I use no vibrato ever, and have
heard some really weird interpretations on record. ---- Original
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From: "Joseph H. Fasel" <jhf@-----.gov>
Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet

> I regretted asserting what Felix would want almost as soon as I had
> clicked "send". Touché.
>
> Yes, recordings can be excellent documents. My point is that we
> necessarily have only the era of sound recording documented in this
> way, so if Norrington is right that the advent of recording itself
> had an effect (perhaps not beneficial) on the use of vibrato among
> string players, it doesn't impress me much to hear that most recordings
> exhibit a lot of vibrato.
>
> Cheers,
> --Joe
>
> On 2003.06.19 17:10 LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW wrote:
> > I think recordings are an excellent document of taste and times.
Virtuosos
> > are popular because I think audiences really need more that a straight
tone
> > in Beethoven's violin concerto. I heard Michael Collins recording of it
on
> > clarinet and can say it did zero for me....however, what a brilliant
player.
> > String vibrato is certainly quite different in many regards from wind
> > instruments.....I haven't heard the wild vibrato in the string sound on
the
> > Karajan Mendelssohn recording I have. Just great playing. I think its
a
> > bit dangerous to assert what Felix would want. I know that some
composers
> > are not the best performers of their own works!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > rom: "Joseph H. Fasel" <jhf@-----.gov>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> >
> >
> > > Ah, but relying on recordings is part of the problem. Norrington
tells
> > > us that the current practice of continuous string vibrato followed
closely
> > > on the advent of recording, that performers were looking for a more
> > > "glamorous" sound for these recordings. Copious vibrato in
Mendelssohn
> > > may be the norm today, but I doubt that Mendelssohn would approve.
> > >
> > > --Joe
> > >
> > > On 2003.06.19 09:33 Lelia Loban wrote:
> > > > Virtuoso soloists don't worry much about this sort of thing, even
when
> > > > they're playing Bach (Nathan Milstein used vibrato discreetly and to
> > great
> > > > effect in his recordings of Bach's unaccompanied sonatas and
partitas,
> > for
> > > > instance); and neither Kevin nor I can think of any recording of the
> > > > Mendelssohn violin concerto, including recent ones such as Joshua
Bell's
> > > > CD, in which the soloist failed to use vibrato both ways. We
haven't
> > heard
> > > > all the recordings that exist, but we've heard enough to be
convinced
> > that
> > > > among violinists, copious vibrato in Mendelssohn is the norm, and
that
> > it
> > > > would be far more controversial *not* to use it.
> > >
> > > Joseph H. Fasel, Ph.D. email: jhf@-----.gov
> > > Stockpile-Complex Modeling and Analysis phone: +1 505 667 7158
> > > University of California fax: +1 505 667 2960
> > > Los Alamos National Laboratory post: D-2 MS F609; Los Alamos,
NM
> > 87545
> > >
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> Joseph H. Fasel, Ph.D. email: jhf@-----.gov
> Stockpile-Complex Modeling and Analysis phone: +1 505 667 7158
> University of California fax: +1 505 667 2960
> Los Alamos National Laboratory post: D-2 MS F609; Los Alamos, NM
87545
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