Klarinet Archive - Posting 000578.txt from 2003/06
From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
Subj: RE: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:10:34 -0400
Wait wait wait,
There is most definitely documentation to assert that in =
ORCHESTRAL
playing of Mendelsohn's orchestra, vibrato was used very sparingly, if =
at
all. I said nothing about solo performance. I'm not at school so I =
don't
have access to the articles, but I'll send them on as soon as I get a
chance.
Alexander Michael Brash
Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph H. Fasel [mailto:jhf@-----.gov]=20
Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
I regretted asserting what Felix would want almost as soon as I had
clicked "send". Touch=E9.
Yes, recordings can be excellent documents. My point is that we
necessarily have only the era of sound recording documented in this
way, so if Norrington is right that the advent of recording itself
had an effect (perhaps not beneficial) on the use of vibrato among
string players, it doesn't impress me much to hear that most recordings
exhibit a lot of vibrato.
Cheers,
--Joe
On 2003.06.19 17:10 LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW wrote:
> I think recordings are an excellent document of taste and times.
Virtuosos
> are popular because I think audiences really need more that a =
straight
tone
> in Beethoven's violin concerto. I heard Michael Collins recording of =
it
on
> clarinet and can say it did zero for me....however, what a brilliant
player.
> String vibrato is certainly quite different in many regards from wind
> instruments.....I haven't heard the wild vibrato in the string sound =
on
the
> Karajan Mendelssohn recording I have. Just great playing. I think =
its a
> bit dangerous to assert what Felix would want. I know that some =
composers
> are not the best performers of their own works!
> ----- Original Message -----
> rom: "Joseph H. Fasel" <jhf@-----.gov>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
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> > Ah, but relying on recordings is part of the problem. Norrington =
tells
> > us that the current practice of continuous string vibrato followed
closely
> > on the advent of recording, that performers were looking for a more
> > "glamorous" sound for these recordings. Copious vibrato in =
Mendelssohn
> > may be the norm today, but I doubt that Mendelssohn would approve.
> >
> > --Joe
> >
> > On 2003.06.19 09:33 Lelia Loban wrote:
> > > Virtuoso soloists don't worry much about this sort of thing, even =
when
> > > they're playing Bach (Nathan Milstein used vibrato discreetly and =
to
> great
> > > effect in his recordings of Bach's unaccompanied sonatas and =
partitas,
> for
> > > instance); and neither Kevin nor I can think of any recording of =
the
> > > Mendelssohn violin concerto, including recent ones such as Joshua
Bell's
> > > CD, in which the soloist failed to use vibrato both ways. We =
haven't
> heard
> > > all the recordings that exist, but we've heard enough to be =
convinced
> that
> > > among violinists, copious vibrato in Mendelssohn is the norm, and =
that
> it
> > > would be far more controversial *not* to use it.
> >
> > Joseph H. Fasel, Ph.D. email: jhf@-----.gov
> > Stockpile-Complex Modeling and Analysis phone: +1 505 667 7158
> > University of California fax: +1 505 667 2960
> > Los Alamos National Laboratory post: D-2 MS F609; Los =
Alamos,
NM
> 87545
> >
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Joseph H. Fasel, Ph.D. email: jhf@-----.gov
Stockpile-Complex Modeling and Analysis phone: +1 505 667 7158
University of California fax: +1 505 667 2960
Los Alamos National Laboratory post: D-2 MS F609; Los Alamos, =
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