Klarinet Archive - Posting 000422.txt from 2003/04

From: "Matthew Lloyd" <Matthew@-----.uk>
Subj: RE: [kl] C clarinet weirdness
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:35:58 -0400

Hey - big difference between the Eb book covering D clarinet and the
Bass book covering bass clef notation.......

No-one - not even Dan? - is going to suggest that Bass Clef sounds
different. Not for a moment.

Eb/D - different story!

But, if it is done, you could sell it in two versions - all treble for
people like me who cannot see the sense in Bass Clef for a clarinettist
and all Bass for the masochists. Or, if you prefer, the reprobates and
elect respectively. (I'm happy to be a reprobate on this question -
can't see the sense in making life harder simply for the sake of it when
there are so many performance issues to deal with!)

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: CBA [mailto:clarinet10001@-----.com]
Subject: Re: [kl] C clarinet weirdness

Well THAT sucks. You know, for someone out there with Finale or
Sibelius, this would be a great opportunity to go back and write
it ALL in bass clef, and all in Bb, depending on the problems in
the scoring. One could put them in a "bass clarinet Part" book
and see about getting it published for professionals who play.
Could be a nice (but small) gold mine of profits to come over
the years, as I believe it would help many players, and the word
of mouth would actually get it slowly going, and then the pace
would pick up over the years.

Eb books have been done like that, with the D parts reworked,
and Bb parts are available for lots of C literature, so why not
rewritten bass parts?

THAT could be the pinnacle of the dissertation Dan was writing
about!

Kelly Abraham
Woodwinds - New York City
--- Dan Leeson <leeson0@-----.net> wrote:
> No Kelly. There were various national standards about how to
> write for
> the bass clarinet. One simply has to know what the German,
> French, and
> English standards were. Then, to complicate the matter even
> further,
> certain composers did weird things. You just have to know.
> But it
> cannot be blamed on editors or editions.
>
> Dan
>
> CBA wrote:
> > Possibly bad editing AFTER the composer wrote the piece? Are
> the
> > parts in the odd clef in ALL editions of the piece, with
> > different publishers, or could it just be a particular
> editor at
> > a particular publishing house screwing up?
> >
> > Kelly Abraham
> > Woodwinds - New York City
> > --- Dan Leeson <leeson0@-----.net> wrote:
> >
> >>It would make a fascinating and valuable study to find out
> why
> >>the
> >>notation for bass clarinets is so screwed up. The Germans
> do
> >>it one
> >>way, the French another, the English a third, and Wagner,
> all
> >>by
> >>himself, yet a fourth way (sometimes). Occasionally the
> >>ambiguities
> >>make it unclear in which register one is to execute the
> notes.
> >>
> >>Now that's a doctoral dissertation subject if there ever was
> >>one.
> >>
> >>Inresponse to Gary's comments, I sometimes would switch into
> >>bass clef
> >>while in the middle of a treble clef passage and for no
> >>discernable reasons.
> >>
> >>The use of bass clef sometimes results in the note being
> >>written an
> >>octave lower than it sounds, such as how Mozart wrote a low
> C
> >>for basset
> >>horn or even soprano clarinet in bass clef. It's weird all
> >>right.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>Gary Truesdail wrote:
> >>
> >>>Same thing happens to me when playing my quartets. All
> the
> >>
> >>bass clarinet parts in my arrangements are in bass clef.
> When
> >>playing the arrangements of others, whose bass clarinet
> parts
> >>are in treble clef, I sometimes find that
> >>
> >>>I'm the one playing all the wrong notes because I
> >>
> >>unknowingly started to read the music as bass clef. Bass
> >>Clarinet parts just should not be written in treble clef.
> >>Right!!
> >>
> >>>GaryT
> >>>
> >>>GrabnerWG@-----.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I kept trying to transpose it!!!!!!!
> >>>
> >
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