Klarinet Archive - Posting 000650.txt from 2003/03

From: Karl Krelove <karlkrelove@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Key signatures
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:04:05 -0500

Yes, reference Gary Van Cott's message and my response regarding
Shostakovitch - I had never before noticed his handling of both trumpets and
horns (and NOT trombones) in this way.

Karl

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Leeson [mailto:leeson0@-----.net]
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:57 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Key signatures
>
>
> Your analysis about why this occurred is quite correct, but it doesn't
> get away from the fact that this eminently logical reason affected the
> way horns were written for long after the reason was forgotten. In
> colleges today, horn writing is taught this way with no reason given.
> Composers have gravitated to including the horns in the proper key
> signature, but it is still a very iffy thing in orchestral writing today.
>
> Dan
>
> Karl Krelove wrote:
> > Wasn't that because they were natural horns and the key was
> taken care of
> > via transposition - if you used the correct horn, it should
> generally have
> > been in C by design (in which case the "empty" key signature
> would have been
> > correct). When we get 20th Century (or more recent) pieces without key
> > signatures, it's most of the time because the piece is atonal,
> polytonal or
> > changes tonal center too often to make changing the signature worth the
> > (figurative) effort.
> >
> > Karl Krelove
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Dan Leeson [mailto:leeson0@-----.net]
> >>Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:48 PM
> >>To: klarinet@-----.org
> >>Subject: Re: [kl] Key signatures
> >>
> >>
> >>In the 18th century (and it extends up to today) French horns were
> >>written that way; i.e., always in written C major with the accidentals
> >>specified.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>Raycraft wrote:
> >>
> >>>Our community band is curently playing a piece,
> >>>"Sinfonia for Winds", by Frank Erickson, in which
> >>>there is never a key signature marked, and everything
> >>>is in accidentals. I have to keep reminding myself NOT
> >>>to try and remember which key we are in, but just play
> >>>whatever is written!
> >>>Sue
> >>>
> >>>From: "Dan Leeson" <leeson0@-----.net>
> >>>Subject: Re: [kl] Key signatures
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Let me suggest a weird key signature, by Mozart of all people.
> >>>
> >>>he writes the clarinet part in the key of written c major and
> >>
> >>then adds the
> >>
> >>>>sharps for f and c as the notes occur in the parts.
> >>>>Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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